[zozbot234]

> They're trying to kill gay men by turning them into women

I'm not sure how this is hard to understand. Trans-activists themselves have been emphatically raising awareness about gender dysphoria being a critical risk factor for suicide. You think healthy gay or bi males who increasingly get told by trans-activists that their non-heteronormative gender presentation means "they're not really a man" and should surgically transition to female are not going to experience dysphoria after transitioning?

[bigbillheck]

> You think healthy gay or bi males who increasingly get told by trans-activists

Has this actually happened, or is it the same kind of thing as those child sex rings in pizzeria basements?

[sterlind]

If anything, they'd maybe be told that they're non-binary? and most non-binary people do not medically transition in any way..

but I know a number of very femme cis gay men, I've never told them they were any kind of trans, and they're quite happy. I think this is a conspiracy theory.

[howinteresting]

There is not a single "trans activist" who wants to deliberately induce dysphoria in people. Many of us know what dysphoria feels like: why would we want to make other people suffer for no reason?

Trans activism is about giving people the ability to self-determine their gender presentation, their personal identity and their sexual characteristics. It's about liberating us (all of us, cis and trans alike) from oppressive notions of sex essentialism and medical gatekeeping. Fundamentally it's about shifting the source of truth to one's personal experience rather than societal messaging of any sort, i.e the exact opposite of what you describe.

Again, for the record: we have no interest in telling anyone with a non-normative gender presentation that they're likely trans. We want to get rid of the idea of telling people what they are in the first place. We want to replace it with the idea that people themselves are the best judges of what they are.

[morelisp]

One of the ways you can tell Paley's position is not worth deeper intellectual consideration is the number of outright contradictions in it.

"If it has a penis it's a man" but trans women who have had bottom surgery are also still men. Biology defines gender but also womanhood is in crisis because "our connection to ancient goddess worship is completely broken" and trans activism is "a continuation of the erasure of the Goddess." Transition is a form of colonization but also the Age of Reason produced the only coherent conception of gender. Trans activists are forcing queer cis men to get bottom surgery, but the problem with trans women is that they don't get enough surgery like they did in the good old days. The writing is to sexual freedom and gender studies what a Gish Gallop is to evolution.