[boredprograming]

We already have a drug that's 99% effective at keeping you out out hospital. And it's only a single/double dose. It's the COVID vaccine.

Any other treatment is basically unnecessary at this point because COVID deaths in vaccinated people are less than 1 in a million.

That's why anti-vaxxers are so vested in other treatments. It's the only way they can rationalize not getting vaccinated

[Heyso]

Nope, that is not the only way. You have side effects. And you have the fact that the vaccine is still in test phase. What are the long term side effects, we don't know. And unless they are obvious we will never know, because vaccine are like a religion too many. You don't question a religion.

[boredprograming]

You're indirectly admitting that I'm right. The anti vaccine crowd is desperate for a non vaccine cure, because the vaccine is so incredibly effective their beliefs fall apart otherwise

[iammisc]

The vaccine is empirically way more dangerous than every other vaccine commonly given. I did the vaccines but I don't understand why we can't be honest about it.

[ghoward]

We can believe the vaccine works but that the risk is too great to take it because it's so new. And for the record, I think the alternatives are also too risky.

[apineda]

Well the covid vaccine comes with some caveats to me most crippling to freedoms being the vaccine passports that seemingly all nations are already implementing. Having various viable treatments would obviously put an end to that. Since ivermectin has a long history of safety and already largely available its reasonable that interest is strong.

[jacquesm]

But not for this particular application, and not in the doses where apparently it has some effect on COVID. And that is the problem with promoting this, as long as you weren't aware of that you probably should not be part of the army of 'useful idiots' of the anti-vax crowd.

[apineda]

I don't think this comment really addresses my point. From what I've seen the dosages (at least for prophylaxis) are similar to what you would normally take. No I don't think it should be rammed down peoples throats without solid evidence but neither should the vaccine. The fact is vaccines take around 7 years to exit trials and so yes I'm hopeful for a proven alternative that's not on trial but the likelihood as far as I'm convinced is nil.

[Heyso]

Create the problem, bring an unecessary solution nobody would have accepted otherwise. Step 3, profit !

Vaccines and covid are going to come back every year for sure.

[boredprograming]

for all the talk of "vaccine passports", not a single state has done it. Biden said he wasnt going to do it months ago. Not a single country has done it in all of the earth.

if I was so worried about such a thing i might start to think maybe I was being manipulated to fear something that didnt exist.

Nobody has implemented vaccine passports. And nobody will.

But the idea of a treatment even close to effective as a vaccine is attractive to those that believe that in such magical thinking

Ivermectin might be cheap but the vaccine is literally free if you're in the US. There's zero reason to not get it, and zero reason to hang onto hope that alternatives will work. We already have an extremely effective treatment, so effective it can wipe of the virus entirely, and its totally free.

Our government under Trump bought the vaccine en masse for a few dollars a dose. Those that refuse such a miracle treatment when the rest of the world dies of COVID are a stain on America's sheen

[bmarquez]

> for all the talk of "vaccine passports", not a single state has done it

New York's Excelsior Pass is a vaccine passport, and has been called such by New York Times and other sources.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/nyregion/excelsior-pass-v...

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/topstories/new-york-s-excels...

[apineda]

These are extreme arguments with little legroom for nuance. If you are so sure then so be it. There's more than enough news on this countering most of your re-assurances.