[ashtonkem]

I define observability as the tools I use to check on the behavior of my system in ad-how ways in production. This is quite different from tests, which are designed to exercise specific behavior in a fixed environment. Both are used towards the goal of software quality, but they’re different.

[snovv_crash]

I dunno. Working on projects with no tests for me always feels like a complete crapshoot. Any change could have broken some implicit assumption in some module you didn't know depended on it. Even worse is if it's a dynamic language and you don't even have a compiler to do the basic checks.

For things like reproducing bugs, in particular, functional tests plus a debugger have been indispensable in seeing how the code actually behaves.

Sure, production monitoring is nice. But it really only tells you about high level problems, and there are entire classes of bugs, eg. silently corrupted data, which you'll never see there.

[ashtonkem]

You’re arguing against a more extreme version of the point I’m making. I’m not arguing for no tests, I’m arguing that uncle bob over states their capabilities by a lot.