[deltaonetwo]

> This statement that docs consider their patients dimwits is wrong. It may be true for some docs

I disagree. I feel this is true for over 50% of docs in my anecdotal experience. Of course in surveys 0% of docs will admit to this so we can't really prove it either way.

>You may be a researcher in the area but you are also a very pretentious one.

Yeah I dropped that bomb because people were calling me ignorant. I usually don't rely on my credentials or authority but the amount of "violence" and blood in the replies made it seem like it was necessary for people to even consider my points.

>Just like it's true that some researchers have a very myopic view of their own field.

Why don't you read all my responses in this thread. You will find I am promoting open consideration of SEVERAL hypothesis including my opponents, Meanwhile other people are promoting complete dismissal of the hypothesis that I introduced.

I would say by definition my view point is less myopic.

[rscho]

I did read all of your answers. From them, I was at least able to understand that you've got a personal problem with docs. No shame in that, many people are the same. That must be part of a bias such as those that you talk about so often.

Now, you associated "I am a researcher in that field" with "docs think their patients are inferior beings". So, how about a reference supporting your statement? Or were those statements accidentally associated?

[deltaonethree]

>I did read all of your answers. From them, I was at least able to understand that you've got a personal problem with docs. No shame in that, many people are the same. That must be part of a bias such as those that you talk about so often.

Could be true. I don't think it's personal though. I think doctors have a real problem. But then again that could be just my bias. Hard to determine it either way. You can't prove it's bias any more than I can prove it's not.

I will say my thoughts apply exclusively to US doctors as my experience has solely been with them. Additionally the exorbitant costs and comparative worse quality of care then their European counterparts could exacerbating my bias if bias is what's going on here.

>Now, you associated "I am a researcher in that field" with "docs think their patients are inferior beings". So, how about a reference supporting your statement? Or were those statements accidentally associated?

I didn't make this association at all. I stated I'm a researcher in the field to give more credibility to an example I made that was used to illustrate a point.

This association was accidentally invented by you.

I do think that subconsciously US docs think of their patients as less intelligent and they tend to dismiss the opinions of the patients and just solely rely on their training to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. This has nothing to do with my background at all.

Also can we get off of my background? My background should have nothing to do with what I'm talking about here.

[rscho]

> My background should have nothing to do with what I'm talking about here.

You say: "I am a researcher in the field, so I'm more informed than most..." and then your background has nothing to with what we're talking about? Yeah sure, whatever...