[Draken93]

Turley is extremly biased and the whole article is ridiculous. Even the article that he cites is from "die Welt" which itself is a pretty biased right conservative medium.

I think it is way more problematic how he intentionally misinterprets a survey of 1283 people to spread the constructs in his head.

[avs733]

yup...the article started with an outcome and a belief and found sought evidence to justify it. That this is the best evidence they can find? really?

It's not about agree or disagree...its just that if this is the best argumentation you can do for your point and hold that opinion in good faith, you should probably re-evaluate your point before you try and convince others of it.

[rayiner]

Characterizing Turley as “biased” and “right conservative” is pretty disingenuous. A few years ago I would have called him a pretty standard Hacker News liberal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley

> In appearances on Countdown with Keith Olbermann and The Rachel Maddow Show, he called for criminal prosecution of Bush administration officials for war crimes, including torture.[21]

> He has opined that the Supreme Court is injecting itself into partisan politics.[29] He frequently has expressed the view that recent nominees to the court hold extreme views.[30]

> Turley described U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder in an op-ed as President Barack Obama's sin-eater, writing:

> “For Obama, there has been no better sin eater than Holder. When the president promised CIA employees early in his first term that they would not be investigated for torture, it was the attorney general who shielded officials from prosecution. When the Obama administration decided it would expand secret and warrantless surveillance, it was Holder who justified it. When the president wanted the authority to kill any American he deemed a threat without charge or trial, it was Holder who went public to announce the ‘kill list’ policy.”

I think it’s more accurate to say Turley is a libertarian-leaning liberal in a party that’s closed ranks around its statist wing and thrown its libertarians completely under the bus. (And I say that as a statist who didn’t agree with Turley back then!)

[tptacek]

Turley is best known among "liberals" for having supported the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, suing Barack Obama, opposing the ACA, supporting President Trump's extralegal redirection of funds to his border wall project, and opposing Trump's impeachment. I don't think he's a pretty standard Hacker News liberal.

I'm not sure I remember any time during my adult life where the Democratic party had a libertarian wing. I'm curious what you think are examples of libertarian Democrats. People like Feingold and Wyden get cited here because they're ardent about conventionally-construed civil liberties, but that's just a small part of what a libertarian is.

[rayiner]

He also called for Bush to be prosecuted for “war crimes,” opposes the death penalty, etc. And lots of Hacker News liberals opposed Obama for drone strikes, surveillance, etc.

I recall a pretty strong civil libertarian wing among democrats during the Bush era. I’d say Howard Dean at least had some libertarian tendencies, such as supporting gun rights.

[tptacek]

Lots of Democrats support gun rights. The Illinois death penalty was eliminated by a Republican governor. That doesn't make them Libertarians. No Democrat supports eliminating the Department of Education, for instance.