[malozite]

I find the FIRE movement fascinating but also slightly depressing.

Among the actually old (my parents' generation - in their 60s and 70s) retirees I know, around half of those retiring from decent 'knowledge worker' jobs have kept on working part-time to some extent. They are consultants, advisers, board members, independent researchers, and so on. They seem to be very happy - they are working at something they are good and believe in, while not having any economic constraint forcing them to work more than they want to, or for anyone they don't get along with.

I can't imagine having 'Financial Independence', but not wanting to do something like this. I enjoy my work in general, and I would enjoy it much more if I had almost complete freedom to plan my day and to walk away from toxic situations. But all the FIRE people that I see online seem to be basing their lives on the other type of retiree - the ones who take leisure activities and sports such as bowling and tennis far too seriously, read and watch constantly but quite aimlessly, and go on endless trips to 'tick off' different world destinations.

[marvin]

I've been following this movement for well over a decade now, and it's not a heterogenous community. You see the entire spectrum, from people who just want to get really rich and indulge in expensive hobbies like keeping their own private jet, people who end up working and earning more after they're financially independent, to people who are burned out and can only imagine a retirement existence consisting of beaches and Netflix, plus quite a few bitter folks who mostly care about tearing others down.

The 'RE' sort of implies not working, but I've seen plenty of accounts of people who ended up with varying degrees of work and income after they quit their regular jobs. For the folks who seem to seek retirement above all else, I wouldn't be surprised if burnout is both a big part of the motivation and the reason for why that is their main focus.

[the_fire_friar]

Yeah - FIRE comes in many flavors depending on what you're goals are. https://partnersinfire.com/finance/fire-fundamentals-basics-...

[SuoDuanDao]

I would suspect that the online communities skew a certain way that may not be reflective of the people actually doing it. One of the most well-known FIRE bloggers is known for saying that he is as active after retiring as he was before, but that he now gets to choose his projects - and despite his blog bringing in an income comparable to his pre-retirement income, blogging was not one of the major 'pulls' in his life after a while. I imagine people who spend a lot of time contributing to such forums may temperamentally enjoy the fantasy better than the reality.

[imtringued]

Yes, it kinda doesn't make sense. You don't want to "retire". You want to work on the things you care about. There are jobs that pay poorly but are still very interesting. Retirement is what you do when you can't work anymore.

Traveling the world is fun but it's not incompatible with work. You just need to ask for long chunks of vacation, say two to four weeks in a row. If all you do is work a 40 hour work week then given the right schedule you still have half a day plus weekends left for leisure.

What people truly want is FU money. They want negotiation power.

[tonyedgecombe]

Retirement is what you do when you can't work anymore.

I wouldn't get hung up on the name. The main part is the FI, so you can pick and choose what you want to work on or if you want to work on anything. Arguing over whether it's a real retirement or not is missing the point.

[foobiekr]

I think for people who got two very senior levels but stayed as hands-on engineers don’t really have the option of consulting. I am extremely senior and while I could do contract dev, they are actually aren’t that many low-commitment consulting jobs for people like me.