[anm89]

Totally separate from whatever this paper is claiming, I'm already dreading a conversation at some future party in which some person rambles on regarding a very unscientific understanding of this paper and something about burning man.

[okareaman]

You might get lucky and someone will bend your ear about Terence McKenna and Machine Elves

[TheAceOfHearts]

Terence McKenna would often say all sorts of crazy-sounding things but he never struck me as someone who took himself too seriously. Here's a short clip [0] which I believe perfectly captures his essence; at the end you can hear him laugh at himself and his story.

Edit: I've enjoyed listening to many hours of Terence McKenna speaking, but I wouldn't recommend swallowing all of his pills.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHFC1BB2gOU

[dorkmind]

What is the Tao-drug connection? I feel like this is a case of Orientalism where Western drug culture is getting in the way of popular perception of Taoism, especially Chuang Tzu. Why aren't intellectual snobs trading in-jokes about Taoism and Zen and Mahayana Buddhism and the Diamond Sutra? It's like they ceded a huge swath of territory to the stoners, and for no good reason, I might add.

Why is there no popular Taoist movement? Why was it marginalized in the hippie movement? Why did intellectuals allow the hippies to control the perception of Taoism?

Chuang Tzu is just so fundamental. I can't see how you can go wrong adding it to a standard Western education.

    YOUR LIFE HAS A LIMIT but knowledge has none. If you use what is limited to pursue what has no limit, you will be in danger. If you understand this and still strive for knowledge, you will be in danger for certain! If you do good, stay away from fame. If you do evil, stay away from punishments. Follow the middle; go by what is constant, and you can stay in one piece, keep yourself alive, look after your parents, and live out your years.

[52-6F-62]

Hippies are marginalized?

I thought all of that movement has been more or less mainstreamed over the past forty years.

This isn’t exactly Crowley’s England.

[netizen-936824]

Drug using hippies are marginalized.

[52-6F-62]

Are they?

Everywhere I look cannabis use has virtually normalized outside of outdated and contrived legal frameworks, and 1%er business tycoons are micro-dosing on the job for presumed spiritual and/or perceptual advantages.

I'm not sure how that counts as marginalized.

[okareaman]

I really enjoy his address to the Jung Society because he is a little more formal without the amusing speculative half-serious statements. He really broke through to me in this one ("the dime dropped"), whereas I didn't take him as seriously before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvBP2sm5kJM

[omilu]

Do you have a time stamp to the interesting bit? That video is 3 hours long.

[mistermann]

And also beautiful things:

https://youtu.be/Q-J09gk0mJk

[warent]

Dismissing someone with a mind full of unique and creative ideas is generally a bad idea. It's okay to disagree but it's completely unnecessary for us to stand on an ivory tower staring down on people we don't understand

[okareaman]

Another case where I didn't get my tone across - I admire McKenna and have listened to quite a bit of his stuff. He's close to being a genius if he isn't one. However, I didn't really sync up with the machine elve threads.

[sammalloy]

> Dismissing someone with a mind full of unique and creative ideas is generally a bad idea

As someone who smoked a joint with Terence, I can tell you why people dismiss him. He went totally over the edge with the "Timewave Zero" software nonsense. Aside from that, he was surprisingly pretty grounded.

[brailsafe]

I don't know how unique the ideas that people put out in these conversations end up being

[anm89]

Nothing in there says that he's dismissing McKenna in any way.

Also you could make this claim about literally any person in any situation. Not all people are worth listening just because what they have to say is "unique". People who think vaccines are being used to implant microchips have quite the "unique" and creative perspective. That doesn't mean they deserve to be taken seriously.