[kwinten]

> The secular world is applying all sorts of demands & social pressures on you, and there's no way to oppose them, because secular ideology doesn't have an identity, an institution or value system open to attack. It's like fighting smoke or a swarm of bees.

That's because there is no such thing as "secular ideology". It's a meaningless phrase.

[savingsPossible]

Correct.

There is no such thing as "secular ideology". There are many. Just as there are many religions.

There is materialism+work ethic, there is materialism without work ethic, there is "wokeism" (to pin a definition, the belief that oppression is a fundamental societal force and clearly directional based on some enumerated characteristics), there is nationalism. There's even "startups" :P

But perhaps you have a grain of truth in that rarely is a "secular ideologist" a "monotheistic" (monoidealistic?) one. Usually one's identity holds a plurality of those identifications.

Also, people can have a strong identification to ideas without a community to back it up (another grain of truth, and the saddest part)

[tonymet]

This is academically true but not practically true. sure there are various secular ideologies in the wild, but due to globalized media & culture, you will generally find major and minor dominant ideologies ruling over you personally.

Overall the point isn’t to say that all secular belief is the same. The point is that any secular ideology you follow will have the same characteristics of religious belief despite lacking definition.

[mensetmanusman]

There is such a thing if one delves into definition of ideology. Depending on the definition, there either is or is not such a thing.

[foolinaround]

> That's because there is no such thing as "secular ideology". It's a meaningless phrase.

Yes, there is no such thing, but it does not become meaningless, and so such be called 'something'

It is the opposite, the repudiation of 'religious ideology'

just like there is no such thing as 'cold' - it is the opposite of 'heat' which is measured, but 'cold' as such, holds some value in dialogue, so it is for 'secular ideology'