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by jopsen 1836 days ago
> Uber is displacing taxis, redirecting money to themselves.

I lived in San Francisco 2013-2018, before Uber I very rarely used taxis -- to/from the airport maybe. Having moved back to Denmark, I again very rarely use taxis.

But when I lived in the US, I used Uber many times each week. Sometimes to/from work.

But taxis in Denmark is easily 5x as expensive, and generally unavailable on-demand.

So now I was forced to buy a car, and call someone if I get a drink.

Point being: Uber certainly replaced taxis, but they also grew the market dramatically. The taxi industry is just a casualty, the pie Uber created is much bigger.

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I think the point is that you used the service when VC money was being used to subsidize your ride. This is zero sum. Obviously the market for rides increases once the cost is artificially depressed.

From the UX perspective, Uber combines payment processing and ride ordering in an app. Obviously an improvement over calling a Taxi dispatcher and telling them when/where to pick you up. But is that billions of dollars in value? Or is the majority of that value just being scooped up from previous incumbents?

The economics of the industry haven't changed dramatically - it's expensive to pay people to be your chauffeur.

Actually, I think I used Uber after it got slightly more expensive too. But, sure, it's hard to know how much of it is VC money -- are you sure they subsidize much beyond software development?

> The economics of the industry haven't changed dramatically - it's expensive to pay people to be your chauffeur.

True, and if we allowed more free competition on the market Danish chauffeurs would be out of a job real quick. Replaced by immigrants.

But the size of the market did change. And that was my point :)

I think there is more people making a living driving Uber, than there was driving taxis [citation needed] ;)

You could argue that Danish chauffeurs would loose their jobs.. but part of me thinks: so what? We have low unemployment, why not have them work more productive jobs?

> Or is the majority of that value just being scooped up from previous incumbents?

So you think the majority of riders used taxis regularly before?

I certainly didn't, and I still don't -- but ride-sharing services I would use it available.

They made upper middle class folks not buy a car, and cannibalized public transportation miles, which increased dramatically the total number of vehicle miles travelled. Not really a good trade off.
They gave people a choice, and they chose. Why does no-one see this as a problem indicating that public transportation needs to be dramatically improved?

The point of even socialism is not to push existing solutions for everything and look at everything as a threat. The point is to improve people's lives, and letting people choose might be a right-wing method of accomplishing that, but you can't deny it's effectiveness.

Why aren't we dramatically improving public transportation? The fact that people chose not to use it means people judge their quality of life better with Uber than with public transportation. Use that, don't fight it!

Have you tried using Moove? It's the same on-demand concept of Uber, but it's Dantaxi that are behind it with certified taxi drivers: https://moove.taxi
Is there something special about certified taxi drivers? Do they have a test to pass on driving skills or?
Special drivers licenses, etc. insurance, etc.

I'll be honest: the few times I've used a Danish taxi, they've been very good.

In general it's like hiring black car service in the US.

I'll give it a shot :)

Pick up time 8 minutes in Aarhus as of writing. If I go to Ikast it's 24 minutes.

And a 10min ride is 25 USD. A hour ride is about 200 USD.

Might try it if I ever need a taxis, but it's still a bit pricey.

Out of interest so you prefer Copenhagen to San Francisco as a place to live ? I’ve never been to SF but am hoping to live in Denmark a while as was curious to your thoughts
Taxis in Denmark are very easily available on demand. There are several apps, or you can phone.

(I have a friend who uses them regularly after we meet up.)