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by gjhh244 1839 days ago
Mass migration from developing world is mostly a burden to European welfare systems these days, since a lot of it is humanitarian and most humanitarian migrants lack skills to do well in our job markets.
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When I look at my own country we want the doctors and scientists but NOT the wretched refuse of teeming shores.

Americans think it's racist but actually it is just business.

Sorry which people are the wretched refuse ones?
Just not very good business. People want to work and people want to learn. Let them. Don't be the problem.
It is racist, and apart from that you definitely didn't try to get a job as a doctor being an immigrant in Europe (academia is less regulated, but is not a thriving job market by itself)
he says he doesn't want people who don't contribute

how is this racist?

probably because he's implying immigrants (except some) wouldn't want to contribute?
Check the comment that he's replying to
Source?

Wrong for Germany, those immigrants from 2015 integrated well into the workforce.

> Wrong for Germany, those immigrants from 2015 integrated well into the workforce

I have no horse in this race, but I'm curious about a source for this, mostly for how it's been measured.

First one that I could find.https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/arbeitsmarkt-fluechtlin...

It says that by 2020 half of them has found a job, which is way higher unemployment rate than is average in Germany though.

But even if they don't find jobs themselves, at the very least they have children which is critical for sustainability of a country with inverted population pyramid.

> by 2020 half of them has found a job, which is way higher unemployment rate than is average in Germany though

Half of immigrants being unemployed after half a decade is bad, especially compared with America, where immigrants are more likely to find themselves employed than the native born [1].

> if they don't find jobs themselves, at the very least they have children

Sure. But I'd hate to do the math on how much each of those children cost the German taxpayer.

[1] https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=LZTRCwAAQBAJ&oi=...

Half of refugees, not half of immigrants. Most immigrants are employed of course, that's how you normally get in Europe.

And it's not like refugees were allowed to look for jobs immediately, getting work permit for a refugee takes awfully long in Germany.

Cost of their children is pretty much the same as for German children. And it's a necessary expenditure, otherwise the said taxpayers are going to have a pretty rough time when they retire.

> Cost of their children is pretty much the same as for German children

If the principal benefit of a refugee couple is their children, the the cost of accepting and maintaining that couple is part of the cost of that child.

I believe there is a moral responsibility, on the part of rich countries, to accept some refugees. But we have to be honest that it is usually charitable work. Framing it as economically beneficial can be misleading and lead to a backlash when the promised gains don't pan out.