[ChuckNorris89]

How is that moving the goalposts?

It is irelevant to the present that Nokia was a big player in the past. The fact that I was a top student in high-scool is irelevant to my current job where I underperform.

Nokia is now a shadow a its former self both in money it brings to the EU economy and in the amount of tech jobs it provides.

That's what's relevant now and there's no pride in this defeat.

[mattmanser]

Did the EU build an Apple? Yes, Nokia was a dominant phone manufacturer, so it clearly did. But it made a mistake and died (like Apple almost did in the 90s).

So you moved the goal posts by claiming that somehow it dying meant that it never counted.

Nothing is forever, just because the US has been briefly dominant in a field does not make it's approach right, especially as it's pretty obvious to the whole world there's a good chance it's going to become number two soon.

[j_wtf_all_taken]

> The fact that I was a top student in high-scool is irelevant to my current job where I underperform.

Maybe spending less time on HN will improve your job performance?