[jwilber]

My twin brother and I grew up without a biological father, were very independent at an early age, and both have high-paying jobs in faang. Both well-adjusted, multiple relationships, successful, etc.

I see a lot of Jordan Peterson-esque BS professing these “no biological father == neet” rules, and I’m not saying that’s the point you’re leading with your question, but am jumping at any opportunity to dispel it, just in case.

[Noos]

and someone can successfully complete high end raids in world of warcraft despite being a paraplegic. Doesn't mean everyone should be able to do so or its too easy to raid. Don't view outliers and your own experience as standard; high achievers do this way too often and end up discounting the real difficulty and struggles in accomplishing such a thing.

[jwilber]

Right, but the point I’m making is being raised without a father is not the (to take your example) paraplegic-level setback some in the red pill camp seem to think it is.

It’s not even an outlier experience, either. Even among high achievers. Consider that ~50% of African American NBA players and ~20% of white NBA players come from a single parent household. [0]

0: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.86...

[rsj_hn]

Curious, do you think the parent poster was saying that fatherless households actually give rise to paraplegics somehow? If not, why not respond to the actual argument with relevant data, rather than responding to strawmen arguments with NBA participation rates? Just seems like a very odd piece of data to bring up unless you can provide evidence that NBA participation rates are representative of overall well-being for the metrics under discussion.

[jwilber]

I honestly don’t understand the point you’re making. Obviously I don’t think fatherless households give rise to paraplegics. Lol.

If you can explicitly state the ‘metrics under discussion’ I’ll give an honest response a go, but I really don’t know what you’re saying here.

[abz10]

An irony that is not lost on me is that high achievers often have their own problems that they would know about if they and society wasn’t so keen to dismiss the problems of others. I was told I was lazy when I couldn’t keep up with the other kids physically (just exercise more), and I thought they were lazy when other kids couldn’t keep up with me mentally (just study more). Turns out it was hEDS. It would have been nice to have figured that out 25 years earlier, the damn thing near ruined my life.