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by ziziyO 1827 days ago
When all you’ve known is privilege, equality can feel like oppression.
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In my country, there are 50% more women in colleges than men, and our colleges still work more to attract more women (with eg. girls-only workshops, etc... we used to call this segregation and/or sexism back in my time).

Lets say you have Alice and Bob... they both finished college, both are looking for a job, and they both decide to start their own company - Alice will make plastic spoons, and Bob will make plastic forks. Alice can get 5k eur from our government, because she's a woman.

Men also tend to work more (hours and years), and live less (less years of retirement), but in many countries still get lower pensions than women for the same money paid in the pension fund. In my country this has been equalized now (same payments, same amount of money, only for new retirees), but relatively shorter lives are not accounted for anywhere.

Safe houses for men?

Lets say Alice and Bob meet at a party, get drunk, have sex and a condom pops... we give Alice numerous ways to get rid of the unwanted baby, and Bob just has to hope, she won't want a kid at the moment, so he'll be able to avoid 18-26 years of child support. Paper abortion ideas are laughed at and oposed by "he shouldn't have sex if he doesn't want to take care of the baby"... but the same argument can be used for a normal/real abortion (except in case of rape).

Media treats women more preferably then men, pointing out the greater tragedy in case of women deaths, and even in cases of paedophillia use "nicer words" for women - eg "schoolteacher had sex with 13yo boy" instead of calling it statuatory rape.

In other countries (eg. usa) there are many more cases of casual sexism against men, even some that are illegal in many other countries, eg. women-only scholarships.

The openminded-ness towards how a woman deals with a pregnancy vs the fact that the same anti-abortion thought process is still being applied to only the man is very frustrating.

If she wants to abort, that is certainly her choice. If a woman wants to keep a child, that is wonderful, but the man should not be forced into child support. Moreso because the choice about the child's existence should only be in the woman's hands since she gives birth to the child.

The irony of people who support abortion saying that if a man didn't want to pay child support he shouldn't have had sex is just staggering.

There's a very long and intense discussion waiting to happen in feminist circles about "consent to sex is not consent to fatherhood".

It's been waiting since the early '70ies and it's still convinced that it's moment will come. Soon, very soon.

The poor thing.

Curious which country this is. That ratio sounds really high.
It would appear to be Serbia. His username is supposedly a reference to celebrity, "Vladan Aksentijević, better known by his stage name Ajs Nigrutin, is a Serbian rapper and actor."

From the Statistical Office of the Republic of Serbia[1], a quick glance at the Higher Education statistics would seem to indicate there are 32% more women.

[1] https://www.stat.gov.rs/en-us/oblasti/obrazovanje/visoko-obr...

I'm from slovenia, but guess what was on the radio when i was creating my username :)
Slovenia :)

https://www.uni-lj.si/univerza_v_stevilkah_2018/studij/stevi...

This is the "nicest" image I could find (our statistics bureau has a shitty page, where you cannot directly link to a graph/table, but only to a full dataset where you have to choose 'filters'). The ratio is 60%-40% (which sounds "nicer" than 150% women, but yeah... 15.072 men, 22.802 women (for university of ljubljana, our largest university).

You are probably directing this at men, but I've also heard this directed at women who were surprised to find out that working unpleasant jobs full time is actually not the greener grass they thought it was.

Or women picking a physical fight only to be shocked at a man fighting back.

Or women being surprised at being sentenced to jail when they expected a slap on the wrist.

The list goes on.

As a woman, that's a good thing. Equality is equality the bad and the good. But I feel like many people of all genders have a hard time adapting.
But why is equality of outcomes necessary? We see worldwide physical and psychological differences between the sexes, and the reproductive strategies typically used are different. Why shouldn't that reflect in broadly different social norms and roles?
Where did I say equality of outcomes? This is just about holding people to the same standards. Equality of opportunity would be nice, but the majority of women (worldwide) don't have that either.
Should we also reflect this in wages for sports and physical jobs?
Forgive me, but then it is not the kind of equality we should strive for.

I want everyone on better, higher footing, not the highly footed to be brought down.

I’m reminded of a joke, which I’m often reminded of when I think about this (excellent) point.

Two revolutionaries, one young and bright-eyed and the other old and grizzled, are sitting together. The older asks the younger what he fights for, to which the latter responds “For there to be no more rich people!” The older one sighs and says “How times have changed! Back in my day, we fought for there to be no more poor people.”

The point of this comment was not that men should be bought down, but that being asked to consider someone else feels like an imposition when you're not accustomed to doing that.
Are you saying that all lives matter?
No.

But I am saying that a black person should be able to get as good a legal counsel as a while person, among innumerable other things.

Todays boys have only known privilege until today that they are suddenly equal? How does that work?
We are not suddenly all equal, but it's becoming more so, and that seems to be a problem. Eventually hopefully anyone will be able to do whatever they like in life without expectations put on them because of things they have no control over. I think there is a communication issue where "mostly men" has been shortened to "men" which is read as "all men"
That's why science and statistics come in handy.

FEELings are irrelevant in the search for truth.

This sounds like the kind of equality that communism created in the 20th century. The sort where all but a few are miserable and impoverished.

Of course, that’s most of human history. Until very recently life was nasty, brutish, and short. We seem to be trying our best to revert to that condition.