[jcelerier]

> The average C++ code base has as many segfaults than the average C code base.

any source for that ? I find segfaults utterly rare in C++ >= 11

[__s]

You were using C++ >= 11 in 90s/00s?

[ondrasej]

I can't speak for the parent, but I've been using RAII and smart pointers in the 00s and it provided a lot of the benefits that got standardised with C++11.

[varjag]

None of that was a thing in 90s and early 00s.

[ectopod]

RAII and smart pointers definitely were a thing in the 90s. I wrote lots of COM code using these techniques. According to wikipedia, RAII was invented in 1984-89.

[jcelerier]

The average C++ codebase isn't from the 90s. On all the recent c++ polls the average language revision used is between c++14 and 17.

Besides I'm pretty confident that there are more new c++ projects created daily in 2021 than monthly at the peak of the 90s c++ craze - just on GitHub, 6/7% of C++ repos means a few million recent C++ repos.

[dagw]

I've worked on several code bases that nominally are C++11 or 14. However they still contain a lot of code written by people still coding like it's the 90s.

[varjag]

What does it have to do with what we are discussing?

[jcelerier]

we are discussing the sentence "The average C++ code base has as many segfaults than the average C code base."

__s and you said "You were using C++ >= 11 in 90s/00s?" to which I answered that this was not the point, because the average C++ code base isn't from the 90s/00s.

[secondcoming]

> On all the recent c++ polls the average language revision used is between c++14 and 17.

Polls of hobbyist coders, or software houses? I would be surprised if most software houses migrated to C++17 yet. Tensorflow is stuck on C++03 I think.

[jcelerier]

TF is at least C++11 from the first header I opened in the repo: https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/blob/master/tensorf...

I'm referring to e.g. the Jetbrains and cppcon polls.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2020/06/dev-eco-cpp-2020/

https://youtu.be/JYzDpXI-vWI?t=137

[pjmlp]

Sure it was, Borland and Microsoft compilers already had smart pointers for COM libraries.

Besides even on MS-DOS with frameworks like Turbo Vision, RAII was a common pattern.

[antoinealb]

auto_ptr (precursor to unique_ptr) was first proposed for standardisation in 1994 [0], and there was probably non standard versions of it before 94.

http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/1994/N055...

[mcguire]

You ever used auto_ptr?

In 1992, I was working on the Taligent project, probably the first major C++ operating system. (It failed.) I remember when the ARM came out---none of the compilers we had available could really do templates. Or namespaces.

[prpl]

A part of Taligent lives on with ROOT, which was very annoying.

[marrs]

ok then, nobody was using auto_ptr in the 90s.

[pjmlp]

Oh boy, OWL, MFC and VCL were used in the 90s, with their ComPtr smart pointer for COM/ActiveX/OLE 2.0.