[breadzeppelin__]

meanwhile the many experts who don't recommend it are widely and very vocally shunned as 'science deniers'.

Andddd downvoted. Cant even point out that there are actual experts on both sides of the argument without people being upset about it.

[seattle_spring]

Given everything we know about the virus and the vaccines, that seems like an appropriate label.

> Andddd downvoted. Cant even point out that there are actual experts on both sides of the argument without people being upset about it

I doubt anyone who downvoted you is "upset."

[tomtheelder]

There will be experts, that is people with relevant credentials, on both sides of every issue, but that doesn't mean they always ought to be listened to. They are being heavily criticized here because the science _overwhelmingly_ supports vaccination.

[Growling_owl]

> science _overwhelmingly_ supports vaccination

Not to be pedantic about it, but science always, and in any event supports non vaccination for self and everybody else vaccinating instead.

This is true for every disease. If possible it's always smart not to inject yourself with stuff.

They just can't say it because then everybody would try and be the last person to get the shot, because the last one gets to skip the shot!

[mustacheemperor]

>This is true for every disease. If possible it's always smart not to inject yourself with stuff.

Maybe in a vacuum where everyone else around you is guaranteed to get the shot, but based on what I saw from friends and family who contracted COVID, what I've read about its long term effects, and the ongoing uptake of the vaccine I would not say the science inclines me to take my chances without immunity.

[version_five]

I certainly don't agree with "denier" type labeling. But I would be as wary of someone who councils people not to get vaccinated as I am of people who pretend unequivocally that there is no risk to it.

Personally, I feel like there has been an escalation where some have been so adamant that it is perfectly safe, that others jump on ultra-rare side-effects as evidence that it's not.

[swiley]

Not only shunned, curated social media often automatically silences them.

[Workaccount2]

I'm pretty sure you can still dig up climate scientists that deny global warming.

Playing the "both sides" argument implies a coin or card, where both sides are equal. In reality this argument is played by people who know their side is dwarfed but want to project legitimacy.