[throwaway-571]

I’m french and most of the content i watch is also in english, made mostly by americans with an american point of views and ways of resolving problems. Sometime in british english with british point of view.

I think it’s sad that that you don’t seem to realize that it’s a problem that most of the content we are exposed comes from a single culture.

As for the move, it’s totally useless, and if they wanted to be strongest against english they should have said “we’ll only accept communication in french or german” but that would have meant most of the communications would have been in german.

[foresto]

> you don’t seem to realize that it’s a problem that most of the content we are exposed comes from a single culture.

I don't think GP's desire to minimise language barriers among 27 co-operating governments implies that they are oblivious to cultural bias.

I do think the latter is an issue worth addressing, but this is probably not an effective or appropriate way to do it.

[nico_h]

OP's solution to cultural bias is to ignore it and just go with convenience.

Well, you have to start somewhere. But I agree that the only thing it's likely to do is annoy the heck out of everybody.

I think they said French because if they had said French or German the other bodies might have used only German just to annoy the French back.

[ciarcode]

I don’t understand, you think that switching to French will expose us to each single European country culture?

[ptr2voidStar]

Haha, OP has no awareness of his/her bias!

[mariushn]

Wouldn't you listen to more content (news, movies...) from European countries, if it was in a language you understand, that being English? I'm in EU and would love for English to be the de facto language.

[irrational]

Why does it seem to be impossible for other cultures to compete with the Americans in the realm of movies, tv shows, music, etc.? Is it just a matter of money? Couldn’t the EU fund their own version of Hollywood?

[warrenm]

Lots of countries compete well - India, Nigeria, the UK, France, Germany, Italy ...

But you're not going to find them in the US [much] if they're not in English

Here's some data from several years ago (couldn't find anything more recent in a quick scan) - https://screenville.blogspot.com/2009/06/production-world-ci...

Here's a related Quora post: https://www.quora.com/What-makes-British-television-at-least...

[herbst]

It's actually not that hard to completely ban Hollywood from your watching for a while. Especially now with netflix and co. Honestly, from a German speaking pov, I don't see this being true anymore today.

[1_player]

Nah, the EU is too busy forcing upon its member states a new language and other political posturing.

[tgragnato]

I'm quite disillusioned about the future of the Union because of ridiculous stunts like this.

Using English exposes people to a certain way of thinking that is more linked to a set of cultures or traditions. It's an undeniable fact, both semantics and linguistics teach us that.

But if the aim is to help politicians think from a different perspective, French is a bad choice. If that was the purpose, a reasonable choice would be to opt for languages related to cultures of more practical rationality.. German or Scandinavian languages

Of course it's the French politicians who have the nerve to try impose their language. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that French culture is one of the most pedantic and nationalistic in Europe, to the detriment of the other members.

[Bayart]

>a reasonable choice would be to opt for languages related to cultures of more practical rationality

That's essentialist nonsense. How are German or Scandinavian cultures more « practically rational » in an empirical sense ? Is there anything to it beyond short-sighted stereotypes ? That's not even getting to the fact that rationalism and positivism have French input stamped all over it, with German philosophy generally pulling in the exact opposite direction.

[tgragnato]

Please do not attribute to me things I did not write.

I did not mention positivism, which is not necessarily embedded in the political environment we have today.

The main contributions in rationalism and empiricism are not French.

German philosophy is not generally positivist, but that’s not what I wrote.

[JProthero]

> The main contributions in rationalism and empiricism are not French.

Are you certain of this? I can think of many contributions to rationalism and empiricism made by French speakers that I feel are important. The metric system, for instance, was in large part a French project [01].

Here are a few French rationalists and empiricists that came to my mind when I read your comment:

Alain Aspect

Contemporary exerimentalist known for work in quantum optics [02]

Louis de Broglie

Quantum physicist known for pioneering wave-particle duality [03]

Nicolas de Condorcet

Mathematician and leading figure of the enlightenment [04]

Rene Descartes

Philosopher and mathematician known for the Cartesian co-ordinate system [05]

Pierre de Fermat

Mathematician known for his eponymous last theorem [06]

Joseph-Louis Lagrange

Mathematician and astronomer known for Lagrangian mechanics and Lagrange points in astronomy [07]

Pierre-Simon Laplace

Polymath known for Laplace's Demon, among much else [08]

Antoine Lavoisier

Experimental chemist who named hydrogen and oxygen [09]

Blaise Pascal

Mathematician and inventor of an early mechanical calculator [10]

Louis Pasteur

Chemist and microbiologist who developed the germ theory of disease and invented Pasteurisation [11]

Henri Poincare

Mathematician, theoretical physicist and engineer [12]

Urbain le Verrier

Astronomer, discoverer of Neptune [13]

Full disclosure: I'm English.

[01] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_metric_system#T...

[02] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Aspect

[03] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie

[04]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Condorcet

[05] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes

[06] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_de_Fermat

[07] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph-Louis_Lagrange

[08] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace

[09] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Lavoisier

[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal

[11]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur

[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9

[13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbain_Le_Verrier

[tgragnato]

"The main contribution in rationalism and empiricism are not French" does not equal "French speakers did not contribute relevant knowledge in rationalism or empiricism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism

Hindu and Greek philosophers, Islamic golden age, Italian renaissance, British empiricism, Scottish Enlightenment, Austrian/German empiricism, US Pragmatism, ...

I'm not trying to neglect French rationalists and empiricists. Of course they exist, ... together with the many other scientists, philosophers, mathematicians, ... from many other cultures. Each single culture contributed less than the sum of the others simply because rationalism and empiricism are the fruits of global knowledge.

When detailing reasons for pushing the adoption of French in Europe, Macron acknowledged the work of Victor Hugo, who "believed that French would be the language of Europe, would today perhaps be a little disappointed" and promoted the re-examination of past colonialism in Africa, seeking to use the language as a tool to "reset a complex history in the continent".

The reasons for pretending the use of French in Europe are nationalistic. In an incident, European diplomats defined "overly dramatic, a statement of anger that clearly need no translation" when a French diplomat left his chair empty after the Council decided to use only-English in a working group.

This development was foreseen in 2017 (pre-Brexit) when Mario Monti said "The EU, when the UK leaves, should take the decision of upgrading the use of the English language in EU affairs. I think we should upgrade the ways we use English and it should become the language of the EU. I exaggerate a bit - there should be a bit of French. It will be a very appropriate gesture to the UK. It would help us Europeans to become more competitive by using fewer languages."

The statements of Mario Monti was pragmatic, it defines an issue and propose a solution. The behaviour of French diplomats is stubborn and nationalistic.

Disclosing too that I'm Italian.

[JProthero]

I wouldn't dispute much of what you wrote above, but I do think the French contribution to empiricism and rationalism qualifies as major (difficult as these things are to measure), and that that contribution is at least similar to the other large European nations.

I understand there is a common perception that French academic culture has literary preoccupations, but I don't think the idea that those preoccupations have disadvantaged French science holds up to much scrutiny, much as one might want it to after listening to a fruitless monologue about Derrida.

It's heartening to me that there are people in the EU arguing in favour of pragmatic gestures of friendship to the UK as you point out; I'm all for it and hope it is continued and mutual, regardless of whether the UK is legally part of the organisation.