[ianlevesque]

A web filled with DDOS attacks and scraping is a web that needs cloudflare and fastly. I’m not sure how to avoid this sorry state of things.

[fsflover]

Invisible Internet Project (I2P) is decentralized and defends from such attacks quite well.

[imglorp]

How is that project doing? It's been around for years and does not come up often.

[fsflover]

Not sure why it's not adopted more widely. It's in constant development and is impressive.

[iainmerrick]

I hadn’t heard of I2P -- sounds like it’s similar to Freenet? (originally forked from it, Wikipedia says)

Can it be used as a CDN for a normal website? How well does it perform?

[fsflover]

> sounds like it’s similar to Freenet?

https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/freenet

> Can it be used as a CDN for a normal website?

No. It's an independent overlay network designed to give anonymity.

> How well does it perform?

It's slow in comparison to the clearnet, but usable for basic things, including torrents (~100+ KB/s speeds).

[iainmerrick]

Hmm, the original comment was:

A web filled with DDOS attacks and scraping is a web that needs cloudflare and fastly. I’m not sure how to avoid this sorry state of things.

I2P doesn’t seem like an immediate solution -- maybe it can resist DDOS, but at the cost of losing fast, easily-accessible, easily-searchable public websites, no? Could Starbucks host their website on I2P, to pick a random example? Seems like a bunch more infrastructure would be needed first.

[KirillPanov]

This attitude is why we have only 2½ search engines on the entire Internet. Only Google, Bing, and Yandex run crawlers. Everybody else is just a reseller for them.

Web crawlers are a feature not a bug. If your site shouldn't be crawled, it doesn't belong on the Internet.

[motoboi]

Search engines scrapping your content is not the problem. Competitors scraping your content is.

[KirillPanov]

If you don't want your content crawled, don't put it on the public Internet.

Your profitability is not the Internet's problem.

[motoboi]

It’s a very interesting proposition.

If you cannot generate revenue by your internet content, probably you can’t live from generating content for the internet.

The consequence, IMHO, is that the internet would have this amount of content and usefulness.

Newspapers? No. Can’t live from internet news if anyone can copy a reporter’s work and post it on his own site and dilute traffic.

Online selling? Don’t look like a viable business model, as anyone can copy the photos you paid a photographer for, the descriptions you paid someone to write and the reviews your customers wrote. True reviews are priceless, you now? Even more now that an AI can detect computer generated reviews.

Obviously an open and totally money-free internet is nice, but it wouldn’t be the internet people make a living from.