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by alxlaz 1844 days ago
> most people use touchscreens (phones / tablets) but there is still a group of people who have bigger screens and would love to see more data than empty space.

They do/might but adding all that empty space in the desktop version of Firefox is quite pointless, considering that it has a mobile version.

I get that there are people with Surfaces and whatever. There are also people with 30" screens. A mobile UI that fits a phone's screen but not a tablet's is considered poorly-designed. It's high time we acknowledge the same thing is true on non-mobile systems.

That being said, things are not as easy to fix as they seem. Paddings have been getting bigger as the use of contrast in UI designs has decreased, and as UI elements have gone increasingly fatter. Without either of these visual cues, the only way to "isolate" pieces of information is by keeping it apart from other pieces of information -- i.e. by whitespace. If you just took one of these interfaces and reduced all padding values by 50%, you would get sane spacing, but the whole thing would be a jumbled, unreadable mess.

(Edit: obviously, adding some visual cues like borders, if not full-on 3D frames, or at least using colours that people over 30 can differentiate on a cheap monitor in a well-lit room, does fix the readability issues, but it also gets you burnt at the design stake for being a heretic so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

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having some padding is nice to have a spot to 'grab' when you want to move windows around. Firefox chrome has gotten so small its a hard to find a 'safe' place to grab.
> Firefox chrome has gotten so small its a hard to find a 'safe' place to grab.

That might suggest that having no titlebars on systems that can display more than one window at a time isn't the best idea, either ;-)

The lack of vertical space on modern 16:9 screens makes them do that. You can make it 9:16 by rotating it 90°, but it isn't common so the default is no bar. Keyboard-oriented browsers often go further than that, offering just a plain page with little to no visible controls.

Anyway, at least you can easily turn the title bar back on.

I know this was the original argument 10+ years ago when this trend started, but it has long stopped any sense. Firefox' tab bar is now 48px. If you add in the insane padding of the address and search boxes, that's practically the same size -- if not thicker -- than the old titlebar + tab bar + address bar combo. No space has been saved in this manner for years now.
yeah - the huge chunk of space between 'home' and the address field is just wasted..It's plenty big enough to shrink it a bit and add some 'outside' padding to the ends of the bar.
I'd be happier if there was just more padding on the 'ends' of the address bar, and less padding 'internal' to it. The space between 'home' and address bar would be a lot more useful if it was split between the to ends and gave you someplace to grab.
yeah. I'm blind as a bat, so I only get 1 window per monitor anyway - so the extra space wouldn't be an issue.

P.S. Am I the only one losing the fight with smaller pixels? As monitors get higher res, I keep having to increase the font size to be able to read them. Even on 4K, twenty-mumble inch monitors, I can only get one 'visible' window at a time.

You can give yourself that space by showing the menu bar and/or the title bar. I wouldn't be surprised if they take those options away but at least for now you can do it.
that's valid reason, didn't think of that as I got used to moving windows with win+cursor keys