[antibuddy]

On the other hand the incentive for people to innovate and make it accessible to anyone is often money. The criticism of capitalism is warranted, however the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation.

[louis___]

This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem.

Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community.

> the supposedly bad capitalist IP system is also the reason for innovation and cooperation

For me this is as much a myth as the good old "the wealth trickles down from the rich to the poor"

[Ygg2]

> This rethoric has been proven false in the software development ecosystem.

Citation needed.

I like open source software, but let's just say often you don't want OSS community to design an interface or maintain it.

Inkscape is on one hand a great tool, on the other hand, it just bogs down doing routine things like zoom or rotate canvas.

[WalterBright]

There's nothing anti-free market about Open Source.

[Der_Einzige]

Except copyleft, the GNU project, and all other viral licenses

[WalterBright]

Since those are purely voluntary, they are not against free market principles.

Anyone can (and has) form a commune in the US, too. There's nothing to stop you.

[vimacs2]

Not only is it a myth but also incredibly arrogant, as if the ten thousand years of advancements and innovation by humanity since the dawn of civilisation prior to the development of capitalism in Italian city states never happened.

[WalterBright]

The hockey stick innovation curve started at the time of the industrial revolution, thanks to free markets.

[vimacs2]

Or it could have also been due to the whole having access to orders of magnitude more mechanical power on tap, assembly line production allowing for rapid prototyping, and industrialisation of agriculture leading to a population boom.

[WalterBright]

Which happened in free market countries, not unfree ones.

P.S. the assembly line (invented in a free market country) is not about rapid prototyping. Prototypes are not built on an assembly line.

[vimacs2]

Russia and China or do those not count?

[antibuddy]

Tell me what system without the capitalist IP system actually innovated faster/better. I only find a lot of failed attempts.

Maybe monetary incentives are important for innovation. And I don't think it's perfect at all, but abolishing it also seems a bit rich.

> Nowadays almost all new programming languages are open-source, and *nix OS softwares have won the cultural battle over Windows in the devops community.

What does that proof? You can't pretend that this would work universally.

[CraigJPerry]

Most of the interesting innovations happen on publicly funded research. Whether it’s your RNA vaccine https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-d... or your phones touch screen, or your siri voice assistant or your uber gps taxi

[WalterBright]

> Most of the interesting innovations happen on publicly funded research

Excluding airplanes, jet engines, rockets, transistors, git, etc.

[devdas]

Rockets were publicly funded research. A lot of airplane research was publicly funded.

[WalterBright]

Goddard was not publicly funded.

The Langley prototype fell into the Potomac like a sack of wet cement, and cost 20 times in government funding what the Wrights spent on their entire R+D program. Langley clearly had not solved any of the problems necessary for controlled, powered flight.