[afinlayson]

It's hilarious how many people are religious about WFH. Like arguing you must not have a social life or you are extraverted if you need to be in the office.... Some people like the office some don't. At the end of the day if people working from home get more done, they'll be allowed to do so. But I've seen a lot of schedules slip the last year, most likely it's because of the pandemic, but maybe it's the ability to come to a space and focus. In a year if companies that remain WFH get more done, then that'll become the norm, but if people who WFH get less done, more restrictions will be added. Instead of being a zealot about it, go prove it works for you.

[k-mcgrady]

>> At the end of the day if people working from home get more done, they'll be allowed to do so[...] Instead of being a zealot about it, go prove it works for you.

That's not what's happening though. Apple was requiring all employees to be back three days a week. There's a reason people are getting vocal about this stuff. A lot of people hate working in the office and don't need to and this is a one time opportunity for them. It took a worldwide pandemic to finally show a lot of bosses that "it's not possible to do this job remotely" is largely bullshit. If people relent and go back against their will, it could be difficult to make the shift again.

[afinlayson]

I’d bet they have data that prove people aren’t doing their job as well. Either the taking longer to do a task, having less team cohesion (aka I’m willing to work hard so my coworker doesn’t have to do it all themselves) or more leaks because secret hardware is seen by 3rd party individuals.

If wfh is better and companies like Apple aren’t adapting they’ll see it in their stock price because they aren’t as efficient as their competitors, more people will quit and we’ll see new startups doing similar things named after other fruit.

3x2 means they can test both hypothesis and will know which is better after the pandemic. So that’s a big improvement over the company when I was there. Where only those who proved themselves got to wfh (I did at times and I have friends who have been able to for years)