[efa]

Of course some young people are lazy. And some are not lazy. I have no idea about South Africa, but in the US I can hardly find a business in my town (especially restaurants) without a "help wanted" sign. This may be a short term issue related to the pandemic.

[lotsofpulp]

What do help wanted signs have to do with lazy or not lazy?

[mehphp]

I assume it means that jobs are available and people aren't taking them

[lotsofpulp]

That would be a pretty useless definition of lazy.

I can hang a sign out asking someone to work for minimum wage during evening hours in an area that requires them to live with 3 other roommates in a 2 bedroom apartment with a 60min commute on an erratic bus.

But I would not classify people not taking me up on this offer as being lazy.

[efa]

They keep bumping up the starting wage. $12/hr for fast food. You can get a nice one bedroom here for $800/month. No long commutes here.

I never said I had a definition of lazy. I just said that some people are lazy and some aren't. You can't make a blanket statement saying all young people are not lazy. Just pointing out that I've never seen so many help wanted signs as I do now.

[Vaslo]

They should take that wage and job if they don’t have one. Beggars can’t be choosers.

At the same time they need to get out of that situation as soon as possible.

It’s one thing to look for a job and not find anything - it’s quite another to not have a job for years because the pay/job isn’t what you like and you are burdening the taxpayer in the meantime.

[lotsofpulp]

> They should take that wage and job if they don’t have one. Beggars can’t be choosers.

They do, our whole quality of life is based on the bottom 3 quintiles not having better options. It’s a unique situation that COVID caused the government to broadly hand out assistance, giving people the ability to not have to subject themselves to those low wage-low quality of life at work positions.

> it’s quite another to not have a job for years because the pay/job isn’t what you like and you are burdening the taxpayer in the meantime.

It is possible to me, if I were a low wage worker, to look at the data for the past 5 decades and conclude the probability to “get out of that situation” is sufficiently low to warrant opting out of the game entirely.

[efa]

Curious, what metric would you use to determine if a group of people are lazy?

[lotsofpulp]

I do not think I would be able to distill it into an easy to describe metric(s).

[mehphp]

I agree