[oh-4-fucks-sake]

Obligatory evangalism: Considered Kotlin as a JVM-lang-of-choice? We use it on all our backends and we really love it.

[didibus]

I think its a "to each their own" honestly. We use Java, Kotlin, Scala and Clojure, and of all four my favourite by far is Clojure.

We also don't suffer from any of the problems mentioned above, had no issues with libraries and no one abuses macros or makes prod repl changes willy nilly, etc.

[fnord77]

Java 16 is good enough for us.