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by stickfigure 1842 days ago
A clear example of the dangers of astrology.
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I meant her addiction and death are a clear example of the dangers of ketamine. The practice of astrology (believing in it or not) in itself doesn't necessarily lead to substance abuse. I'm personally quite interested in astrology as a framework and it's psychology.
There's nothing clear about this:

"the cause and circumstances of her death are still unknown"

"there are some conflicting accounts related to her disappearance and death"

You're making a lot of assumptions based on your own biases. I'm pointing out (tongue-in-cheek) that a different set of biases can create an entirely different narrative, equally correlated.

Ah, you're right.. I missed the tongue-in-cheek :-) ..but I remembered it from reading it in the Ketamine book by Karl Jansen long ago. At the time she was doing it daily and slept 3 hours a day.

Based on an 1998 interview with Moore's Journey's into the Bright World (1978) co-author Howard Alltounian, M.D. he wrote:

"Moore went to visit John Lilly at his ranch in Decker Canyon, Malibu. She was astonished to find that he was, at that point, describing "Vitamin K" (his preferred term) as an "extremely dangerous" substance. Lilly had just been through a massive binge ending in a near fatal accident, and out of his original ten person study group, one had "driven his car off a cliff" (Dr. Craig Enright) and another hd met an "equally lugubrious end" (Carol Carlssen).

"John Lilly's last words to me were, "You'd better be damn strong if you're going to play that game."... As this book goes to press I have once again increased the doses."

Moore disappeared from her house on January 14, 1979. Her husband spent a year searching for her, including journeys to Hong Kong and Thailand, places to which she had traveled in the past. Her skeleton was found in early spring, 1981, in the place where she had frozen to death. She had made a journey at night into the dark world of the forest, a potent Jungian symbol, curled up in a tree, and then injected herself repeatedly with all of the ketamine she had been able to find."

I am not sure if Howard or Karl are assuming things here.

That sounds very consistent with her husband's (Alltounian's) conviction that she committed suicide. I'm not sure what this says about the dangers of ketamine, especially considering that ketamine seems to mitigate suicidal ideation.

I had never heard this person's name before today, but I can easily imagine a different narrative: She was self-medicating for depression and might not have lasted as long as she did without the drug. Sounds like we'll never know.

A low dose has anti-depressive effects, but these are much larger doses. According to her husband she was addicted, and on Erowid there are reports of people getting addicted to it: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Ketamine_Addicti...

Regarding suicide people could get strange ideas due to ketamine, perhaps it's accidental death - perhaps she wanted to try the biggest dose to get the ultimate revelation and while being in the so called K-hole, the cold got her.

Like a few unlucky souls experimenting with psychedelics, they want to fly to close to the sun and fall down. Zoe7.

Ketamine or psychedelic use can be a form of self-medication. But you'd think that if she had depression it was written about after her death or mentioned in one of her books or articles