[waheoo]

> Also, everyone just loves watching Intel suffer.

This is such a weird fucking statement.

Apple literally think they own your hardware after you buy it, and Intel are the evil ones?

I don't really do fanboyism, currently own Mac, windows, Linux, Intel, amd, android, iPhone, switch and PlayStation.

I just use what I use but I don't get so attached, apple has been lacking for years. M1 is ok but honestly it feels like they've only just caught up to everyone else.

[xoa]

>This is such a weird fucking statement.

Not if you've been in the industry for long enough. And it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Apple, the "everyone just loves watching Intel suffer" (or more charitably, "watching Intel get a bit of comeuppance and much needed kick in the arse") bit stands on its own no matter who is dishing out the suffering because Intel has been a big PITA for everybody since the late 90s/early 00s. Intel is pretty much single-handedly responsible for lack of widespread ECC memory for example. They've nickle and dimed everyone and feature gated important functionality for pricing power and basically just exploited the ever living shit out of their dominant CPU position. And the last time they were getting threatened in terms of that position, they bought themselves what they needed with illegal tactics denying AMD a chance to get the ball rolling, dooming us to another 10-12 years before they could go for it again. And Intel has been this way for ages and ages. People still remember everything that went down around Itanium and how it choked off promising alternatives.

So yeah. Intel have indeed been the evil ones, and in a way that's been a lot harder to avoid than Apple which you might stop and recall has in fact always had only a tiny minority of the PC market. I mean, if you want to talk about Apple specifically:

>Apple literally think they own your hardware after you buy it, and Intel are the evil ones?

That's kind of amusing given the access Intel has given themselves at a deep level on every CPU.

>M1 is ok but honestly it feels like they've only just caught up to everyone else

This is just you being silly. "Only just caught up"? They were using Intel before so they were by definition the same as everyone else. What they've done in mobile CPU design has been genuinely remarkable. And that in turn is a genuinely good thing in general whether you use them or not, same as with AMD. We're already seeing Intel sluggishly but seriously start to respond and shift.

[wayneftw]

Intel built a fairly open platform whereas Apple is and always has been the China of tech.

> ...given the access Intel has given themselves at a deep level on every CPU.

And they use that to stop end users from doing what?

Meanwhile Apple will have you paying them yearly to sign apps as they continue to build a dystopian new world order where only they control everything you can do with your own hardware. I honestly hope that their marketshare keeps growing in all categories though. The more successful they are the better chance people will rebel against them. You can't run an app business in the United States without dealing with Apple. Whatever Intel has done is hardly comparable.

[povik]

> ...as they continue to build a dystopian new world order where only they control everything you can do with your own hardware

Well, the new M1 computers have a built-in ability to run third-party OSes. It is not an oversight but rather something Apple intended to do and spend effort implementing in a way that fits their security model. That they did not provide any hardware documentation to go with it, is another thing.

[konspence]

Maybe reconsider the metaphor

[wayneftw]

It's perfectly accurate.

[HKH2]

Intel has played dirty for years, both with AMD and its own customers for years. It's not about Apple.

[fomine3]

That's legit reason for Intel to be blamed, but also I want to praise Intel for massive contributing for OSS. I wish AMD also increase contributes for OSS as increasing shares and profits.

[dopidopHN]

Thank you. Yeah I never really had much to say about intel. They sell processor, sometime, rarely, I buy processor. I do look up what make sense to buy, or not, at that specific time.

And most of the time I forgot I did it in a matter of weeks.

I’m not sure what it’s in my current machines. It work really well.

On the other side, for some reasons all my work computers have been macs for a solid 10 years now. Basically after the intel shift.

And boy oh boy I had moment of annoyance toward Apple.