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I'm a Christian so I know all about the "I'm a virgin and want a virgin" thing and couldn't approve more. Just... healthy expressions of it. The complete production people put on when a 25+ virgin is discovered is shameful, not for the virgin but for everyone acting it out. I hope I didn't imply I subscribe to any of that. But that being wrong is still an example of calling out an untruth. It isn't a truth unto itself.

> I could be convinced but I'm not sure. I think this is more of a PUA thing.

There will usually be something like a PUA nearby torturing or exploiting them with demands and expectations, yeah. Narcissists form vicious hierarchies. Incels are just the ones at the bottom. You have to subscribe to the gymbro's ideas/values before he can 'win points' torturing you about gains or whatever. They're both obsessed with looking in the mirror. One just likes what he sees so he ends up higher in the pyramid. They both project their own self-image (bad or good) onto the expectations of others.

Lots of people think of narcissism as an after-the-fact thing but it's not. It's a pattern that anyone can be in, ugly or beautiful, rich or poor. Incels are unsuccessful narcissists; PUAs are successful narcissists. You're right to see a pattern.

In simplest terms, narcissism is an addiction to deeming things not good enough. The three flavors of targets are family/friends/SOs (covert), things (megalomania) and groups of people (grandiose). Incels are basically grandiose narcissists that can't back it up with any form of societal success.