[macintux]

Except Apple does a pretty good job of keeping your data on your device. Sure, they’re no saints, but they put a lot of effort into privacy.

[keepper]

Explain AirTags and their ability to highjack the internet connectivity of any apple device. Did you get asked about that?

So why is it ok for apple to do that, and non of their vendors?

[macintux]

Their partners can use the Find My network.

https://www.macworld.com/article/342763/apple-opens-up-its-f...

I'm not sure how that's relevant to your privacy as a user, although obviously the tags and other trackers raise concerns around abuse.

[keepper]

Relevance here[1]

[1]https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/05/14/apple-airtags-ha...

[macintux]

You realize that "attack" is possible explicitly because the protocol is private, right?

Apple can't know that it's not a legitimate communication because they don't know who you are, what device is calling for help, and who the device owner is.

And if you want to use my phone to upload a few bytes/second while I'm passing by, as long as the data isn't being stolen from an air gapped system, be my guest.

[bryan_w]

You feel the same way about Amazon's sidewalk network?

[macintux]

I haven’t paid enough attention to have a strong opinion, but my assumption is Amazon isn’t talking about a couple bytes of anonymous location data, so I don’t see how the two compare.