[aaron-santos]

Is there an example where individuals taking personal responsibility of a widespread problem has led to a favorable results? What I've seen is that this line of thinking disconnects the values from the result ie: "We did the right thing, so we have to accept the results." This re-frames the debate from results-orients to values-oriented.

The same reasoning is being used in the climate change debate. Corporations are gearing up PR teams to promote individual responsibility campaigns so that corporate action can be minimized. Again, it disconnects the values from the results so that at the very end when nothing changes a group can be happy that even though it fails, we did the right thing. The end result is cynicism and skepticism to these tactics.

[mariodiana]

Is there an example where centralized planning has led to favorable results? The centralized planning in the face of this pandemic has resulted in widespread economic destruction, not to mention rioting, looting, arson, and portions of American cities being taken over by "anti-fascist" warlords.

Okay, that's just my opinion, right? Fine. Call me crazy for believing that prolonged isolation, idleness, and political repression leads to egregious economic dislocation and social unrest, but I'm going with that until I hear a better explanation.

[aaron-santos]

That's weird. It's almost like talking about the advocacy of individual responsibility come from a premise that centralized planning failed. What a strange foundation to base a response around. I'm open to a discussion about individual responsibility from first principles and systems-level thinking, but it's as if we're trying to avoid that discussion for some reason.