[hardwaresofton]

Some people do, but not everyone, and I'm personally not interested in an app that does it perfectly but no one can use.

Also, I did not mean to imply that the features could not be done -- they ostensibly can, it's just that I am not willing to accept the lack of them or possible lack of them as a reason, because a lot of people don't even know it's happening/don't know when it's missing. More interested in increasing the base of people who use more secure messaging that is more independent and simpler to understand where possible.

[robjan]

The whole point of signal is that it's secure and has reasonable UX. As soon as you can start choosing security parameters it becomes unnecessarily complicated for the average person with added scope to mess something up

[hardwaresofton]

Well the question is is there an even easier signal that is some reasonable mix of secure and reasonable UX? There are important features that Signal has left out (not requiring a phone number to sign up being the most egregious) -- the question I'm asking is whether there is another point in that space of tradeoffs.