[Sacho]

It's difficult to compare crime statistics due to the nature of what is criminalized being different, but the numbers for South Africa are stark enough for this to not matter.

Here's a report from the SA police on crime for 2020 - https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/421424/south-afri...

I can see that there were 22k murders on a population of about 60 million.

I couldn't find USA crime statistics for 2020, which has seen a surge of murders; but the 2019 statistics show 19k murders on a population of over 300 million. Even taking the increase into account, that's a factor difference of x4-5.

Here's wikipedia's page on intentional homicide rate by country - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

SA's rate of 36 for 2018 is only surpassed by countries in Central America, like Venezuela and Honduras. The US's rate for 2018 is 5.

[vagrantJin]

For comparison the USA...

Therein lies my problem. You are going to compare one of the wealthiest, most powerful countries in human history, with South Africa?

[Sacho]

Umm okay. Which country do you want me to compare it with? How about some from Africa?

SA - 36

CAR - 20

DR Congo - 13.5

Uganda - 10.4

Nigeria - 10

How about some poor countries from Europe?

Ukraine - 6.1

Bulgaria - 1.3

War-torn countries in Asia?

Iraq - 10

Afghanistan - 6.6

[vagrantJin]

Hoorah.

But what does this have to do with the Topic discussed about Mexican Cartel operations against the police? Is it relevant?

This is not the right thread for discourse about SA. We shall leave that for the appropriate platform/post.