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by Isinlor 1848 days ago
The notion of boundary is just not helpful in explaining some phenomena.

A virus RNA in nucleus of neurons in your brain is part of you or not? Is that alive or not? Conscious or not?

The same way as an idea of a point particle breaks down in quantum physics, the idea of binary "you" and "not you" breaks down due to nature of reality.
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lisper 1848 days ago
> A virus RNA in nucleus of neurons in your brain is part of you or not?

Depends on the virus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus

> Is that lump of physical matter conscious or not?

Depends on the lump. The only lump of physical matter that I know with 100% certainty is conscious is me. But my consciousness produces behavior in me that is similar to behavior I observe in other lumps of physical matter. Furthermore, there's a lot of evidence that my consciousness is somehow bound to a particular physical structure, namely, my brain. So it seems reasonable to suppose that other lumps of physical matter that have brains and exhibit the kinds of behavior that I associate with my own consciousness also possess consciousness, and that lumps of physical matter that lack these things don't.

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Isinlor 1848 days ago
So, how does it depend on the virus? When it is when it is not?
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lisper 1848 days ago
Because some viruses are ERVs and some are not. Those that are are "part of me" and those that aren't aren't. (Isn't that obvious?)
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collyw 1848 days ago
So it becomes part of you by integrating into your DNA? It's only going to be a fraction of your cells that contain that DNA. I don't see how that makes it any more you than a virus that doesn't integrate. Herpes stays in your system for life, and doesn't incorporate into DNA.
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lisper 1848 days ago
> It's only going to be a fraction of your cells that contain that DNA.

No. ERVs are part of your genome.

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collyw 1847 days ago
OK, that's an interesting case that I didn't know about, but it just shows how blurred the lines between genes, virus and transposons are. This is a virus that you can pass on to your children, but not others around you, correct? It's not what I was considering when taking about viruses, because of the infectious element. You have shifted my mental boundary about what is considered a virus.

It looks like think something that is part of your genome is part of "you" - I won't argue that it isn't, it certainly is from one point of view. I don't plan to have children, so I have a different perspective on things.

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