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by RcouF1uZ4gsC 1853 days ago
> Or at the very least, why hasn’t a fear of mutually assured destruction set in?

I think this is the mutually assured destruction phrase. A lot of the “cancel culture” has been deployed by the Left. The Right is now using it against people on the Left. This “cancel culture” will go away when both sides see that there is no net gain, only a grinder destroying people.

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MAD doesn't work when the people who get destroyed aren't the people who launched the missiles. It isn't enough for them to be other people from the same faction.

When Kennedy was considering nuking Khrushchev, he had to face the reality that, if he did, his own family would die, and if he didn't, they probably wouldn't. Khrushchev, mutatis mutandis. If Kennedy had given the first-strike command, an individual colonel in a missile silo pondering whether to disobey wouldn't face a similar choice; he would know that, whatever he chose, hundreds of other colonels at other missile silos would launch their missiles, the Soviets would retaliate, and his family would die. So his only self-interest was not getting court-martialed for insubordination.

The difference with cancel culture is that there is no Kennedy and no Khrushchev who has the authority to not fire the missiles. Every missile silo independently decides whether to fire and who to fire at, but they compete with other missile silos on the same side to demonstrate greater viciousness. And, instead of killing a million people, every missile kills a ten-thousandth of a person. So it's more of a grinder, as you say, than a firestorm.

So, there's no net gain, but abstaining from the witch hunt is not a Nash equilibrium. It may even put you up at the stake next week when it's seen that you were insufficiently enthusiastic about today's Three Minutes Hate.

More concretely, if you choose not to fire your employee because there's a social media hate campaign directed at him, whether you're right or not, that won't provide you any protection at all when it comes out that twelve years ago you posted something anti-transgender. Or pro-transgender, depending on who's canceling you.

Your optimistic prediction would be true in a world where collective action was easy, and we had plenty of free software, no global warming, and no taxes, just volunteer work.

I mostly agree, but Kennedy and Khrushchev families probably had bunkers to survive. On the other hand, the families of the Colonels were probably living in a military facility that was a primary target of the counterstrike...

Stanislav Petrov decided to ignore the official protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

Kennedy's kids, yes. His parents, maybe. His aunts, uncles, and cousins?

Petrov is indeed a notable hero — but note that his self-interest was aligned with our collective survival in the same way Khrushchev's had been.

> I mostly agree, but Kennedy and Khrushchev families probably had bunkers to survive.

What sort of "survival" would even be possible in a post-apocalyptic world?

One issue with MAD is that other side is moral where one isn't. That is right believes in free speech so there is much lower tendency of attacking the people on other side for what they have said...
These are untruths. Neither of you are moral.