[croes]

You must view the browser with JS and WASM as a unit.

The browser renders it's own GUI too, it's not OS native

The browser uses lots of resources too.

The browser is kind of a plugin to the OS and must be updated separately.

Java nowadays is pretty fast too.

Java VM serves a platform for multiple languages like Scala, Kotlin, Clojure.

Let's face it, the browser is the new JVM and a soon it gets the same permissions like the JVM to access the file system and such, we get the same problems.

[westurner]

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24052393 re: Starboard:

> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Security/Subres... : "Subresource Integrity (SRI) is a security feature that enables browsers to verify that resources they fetch (for example, from a CDN) are delivered without unexpected manipulation. It works by allowing you to provide a cryptographic hash that a fetched resource must match."

> There's a new Native Filesystem API: "The new Native File System API allows web apps to read or save changes directly to files and folders on the user's device." https://web.dev/native-file-system/

> We'll need a way to grant specific URLs specific, limited amounts of storage.

[...]

> https://github.com/deathbeds/jyve/issues/46 :

> Would [Micromamba] and conda-forge build a WASM architecture target?

[kierangill]

> You must view the browser with JS and WASM as a unit

“Web” assembly is a bit of a misnomer. It’s an IR at the end of the day and can be run without a browser[1]. But your other points could be true one day if the de facto WASM runtime becomes bloated or decides to ship with some GUI renderer.

[1] https://github.com/bytecodealliance/wasmtime

[Dzugaru]

> a soon it gets the same permissions like the JVM to access the file system and such

Like... never?

We get better systems as we get more experience. That's why C# was better than Java, Java today is better than Java was when C# launched. That's why we now have amazing languages like Rust and also that's why the same problems will never be the same given we have a ton of experience with VMs, docker, sandboxing in browsers etc.