[tavoe]

A few months ago, I watched some videos by Brett Victor and decided I wanted to develop a visual programming language. That led me to https://futureofcoding.org/ and its slack channel.

There was some cool stuff happening on the server, and the admin was doing his best to elevate things, but that slack channel was also the last stop for some people before they descended into templeOS levels of madness.

Right around the time I was joining, the admin posted in the meta channel that, with a heavy heart, he had finally banned [the developer of beads, I feel weird calling him out by name]. Apparently he had been too argumentative and stubborn for the server to further tolerate.

It left a weird taste in my mouth about the future of coding slack channel. On one hand, you don't want toxic people in your community. On the other hand, the server was clearly a channel of last resort for a lot of people with a lot of crazy ideas. Kicking out one if its more prominent members to toil in solitude felt kind of gross.

Its interesting to see that, a few months after being banned, the beads project seems to be materializing.

[jryans]

I don't think you're fully appreciating the context here... The moderator of that community had been trying over and over, both privately and in public, to get this person to follow community norms for years, but they just would not do so.

To me, who has been in that community for years, it was entirely the correct action to take. Moderation is hard and no fun at all, but it needs to be done, or else a community will descend into madness.

[magicmouse]

I was kicked out of the future of coding chat group by Ivan Reese, who exercised his cancel culture powers to permanently ban someone for daring to say that Steve Jobs had cojones for ordering hundreds of millions of dollars in parts for his products before they even shipped and knew if people liked them, unlikes the cowards at HP who only bought 10k Idea Pads (which preceded the iPad). It is ridiculous to equate a colorful, and accurate, word "cojones" with a descent into madness. Steve Jobs by most personal accounts had a bad temper, but he was amazing, and I for one miss his great designs and inventions that he brought forth. To me, Steve Jobs is the most exciting inventor of my lifetime, an incredible example of masculine energy focused in a constructive and creative manner.

The community didn't vote on it, Ivan exercised his power, because has a personal dislike for me. I met a few nice people on that discord group, but didn't enjoy being followed around by word police.

[zubairq]

I do remember this incident well. I guess each community has to decide how it wants to operate when people in that community feel disrespected and criticised. But I also remember this comment from Steve Jobs: https://greatresultsteambuilding.net/impact-teamwork-steve-j...