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by zozbot234 1856 days ago
> What's different about the paper you cite, AFAIK, is the idea that the CMBR during the epoch he describes was the heat source.

If the CMBR was the heat source, what was the heat sink? You need a temperature difference to produce negentropy and allow for life. Did life evolve in the shadow of primordial black holes, or what?
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est31 1856 days ago
Life doesn't need a temperature difference. It only needs some material in one energy state whose transition to a lower energy state it can catalyze. Say converting visible light to infrared radiation using photosynthesis, or rusting iron [1], etc. The CMBR with 0-100 C provides for the environment that allows for the molecules to be stable without life needing to take any precautions.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron-oxidizing_bacteria

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antognini 1856 days ago
No, the temperature differential is necessary. If life is consuming some food in a high energy state, converting it to a low energy state, and then using the difference for itself, it needs to put that waste energy somewhere once it's done with it. It can do this if the bath is at a lower temperature. But if the bath is at the higher temperature (i.e., if there's no differential) then the organism will be unable to convert the food into the lower energy state.

Strictly speaking, the important thing is to have a differential in entropy. The processes of life produce entropy, and that entropy has to go somewhere else if the organism is to live. But a differential in entropy implies a differential in temperature (though you may have to be careful about how you define temperature since there are different kinds of temperature).

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est31 1856 days ago
Consider everything in the universe being 40 deg C, including all matter, the CMB, etc. Consider now an organism that eats some food and releases the energy inside that food. It converts this energy into heat and i now 42 deg C. Suddenly there is a differential again. Sure, it can get rid of the heat easier if the differential were larger, but it can get rid of it at all, due to the existence of a differential.
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pdonis 1856 days ago
> If the CMBR was the heat source, what was the heat sink?

Good question. I haven't read through the paper yet, so I don't know if the author addresses it.

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pdonis 1856 days ago
It looks like he talks about "thermal gradients" in section 3 of the paper.
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