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by vimacs2 1853 days ago
Yes, they showed a great "degree of care" in levelling a building that happened to contain the offices of media that were critical of the actions of the IDF on the basis of “Hamas military intelligence” with no evidence given. Btw, conflating giving the inhabitants of a building an hour's warning before a strike with evacuating is a stretch but even if I accepted that premise, is the IDF going to compensate the inhabitants of this building a single dime? Given their history, I would guess no.

However, outside of a building containing high profile media companies, many Israeli strikes are far from being as careful. You can waffle on and on about how heroically and nicely they fire air to ground missiles in cities from a safe distance but in the end the raw numbers don't lie. Compare how many Palestinian's have died since this conflict started compared to the Israeli's and it's plain that this isn't a "war", it's a massacre.

The actual attitude towards Palestinians by many Israelis including officials is positively blood thirsty and genocidal. I've seen enough interviews on the streets of Tel Aviv to be deeply concerned. The population have grown increasingly radicalised and right wing by decades of IDF propaganda and there seems to be little recognition of their common humanity with the Palestinians. They will not be satisfied until the entire Palestinian population are either purged or driven from Israel.

There is no possible way to reconcile the requirements of a egalitarian democratic society with a Jewish ethnostate. This is the reason why they push for a "Two State" solution even though it's a farce and Palestinian territory has been eroded away more and more with Settlements that are illegal by international law. They do not want to the Palestinians incorporated into their society because they want to maintain a Jewish majority. There is no way that desire can be achieved without ethnic cleansing in the long term and we are seeing more and more brazen actions towards that goal.

The solution is both obvious and incredibly hard: Get rid of the two states and make it a single democratic state with full civic and political rights given to all inhabitants. The hardline Zionists of course will never stand for it though so it's never happening without a radical revolution in Israeli society.

I am personally sick and tired of arguing with somebody who thinks I should treat an aspiring ethnostate with anything more than contempt so this will be my last post to you. Feel free to have the last word.

I will urge (probably uselessly) that maybe instead of listening to IDF and US propaganda, you look at news in countries that don't have financial and political interests tied up in multi-billion dollar arms deals and territorial acquisitions. I don't listen to RT for details on Ukraine after all. Good night!

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There's not one bit of nuance in this. Not a single look at what the Palestinians are doing wrong or at the other side of the conflict.

It has been mostly a waste of time talking with you, as I predicted from your first comment, but it wasn't without entertainment value.

Your ideas about a one state solution are kind of interesting. Honestly, I'm not sure the Palestinians would even want that if it were on the table.

My prediction is similar to yours. The Palestinians will refuse to compromise (capitulate?) Sufficiently for the Israelis. They'll keep losing power and territory and leverage and the deal on offer will keep getting worse. Until they've all moved on or been assimilated.

Their best hope is make a bad deal now, because it's not going to get better for them. It's not fair, but it is the reality.