[dmautz]

This is why I used the word sometimes. Obviously the whole military industrial complex is the worst example.

As for the philosophical argument that they take my money by force, I just don't get it. This is the best way we have found to have a civilized society so far. Going far in either direction communism or anarchy is not a good solution. You have to also consider reality when arguing policy.

[zionic]

>As for the philosophical argument that they take my money by force, I just don't get it.

"No taxation without representation" was one of the core driving motivations behind the American revolution. The problem is that I, and I suspect a growing number of others, have completely and totally lost faith in my government to represent my interests while taxing me. The "men with guns" line is just to reinforce that I have no choice in the matter, they are free to do whatever they want with zero accountability and I have to pay them or they send me to jail.

[dmautz]

Yeah I get it, I mean I live in DC. I don't even have voting representation. But I still think our current system is pretty good. We just need to make it more efficient, transparent, and accountable.