[tisFine]

I keep hearing about walled gardens, and not how it’s merely a choice among many. Linux works on tablets and phones. What’s that? It’s a janky mess?

Maybe developers could stop looking at the green grass on Apples side of the fence and bring that polish to open-source.

But I imagine that will simply devolve into the mess it already is, with flame wars, and figurative genital punching to prove how hardcore one is for the obfuscated C they cobbled together.

There was time when Linux distributions were thought of as walled gardens. Cobble together just the right collection of source for you! Don’t let Red Hat control your mind! SystemD is a cage for your soul!

Meanwhile, Apple just got the damn job done and moved on.

If it’s a choice between masochistic elitism or filtered content. Hmmm…

[rcoveson]

> There was time when Linux distributions were thought of as walled gardens. Cobble together just the right collection of source for you! Don’t let Red Hat control your mind!

No, that's just a garden. A garden is where a single trusted entity cultivates the plants it wants in the way it wants. It has boundaries, but not necessarily walls.

Walled gardens are a strict subset of gardens. A walled garden doesn't let you go out and forage from the wilds to augment the produce of the garden.

[tisFine]

Neither does Apple’s App Store; users can pick Linux.

Anyone pushing into the App Store specifically then complaining has their own initial choice to blame. But of course that can’t be right…

[rcoveson]

Linux distros offer a lower-case "app store", a "garden", while also allowing you to straddle the line between the garden and the outside. On the same device, at your own discretion. They don't make it any more difficult than it has to be.

iOS is a "walled garden" because it requires you to be in or out. Like you say, you can "pick Linux", but that's not tearing down walls. That's just leaving the walled area.

The frustration with Apple isn't the fact that they're forcing anybody to use their stuff. It's that they make a lot of cool stuff, and then they go out of their way to make it difficult to use anything not Apple-sanctioned on their stuff. Most OSes don't do this. I like the Linux distro approach better: Provide a garden, but also allow the installation of stuff from other gardens, or from the wilds.

I don't know why you're being derisive of people who have only "their own initial choice to blame". I choose to live in the city where I live, and that has downsides. I even knew those downsides going in! But that doesn't mean I have no right to complain about the downsides. Maybe the upsides still make it worth it to me, and I'm just pushing for a world where I can have those while also fixing what I think is wrong with the place.

[rmah]

Hey, don't hold back, tell us what you really think!