[anon776]

On modern mountain bikes you want to be seated for climbs, thats why their geometry is so different from a bike made 10-15 years ago.

Also, first time you catch a bar end on a branch and get sent over the handle bars you will ditch them. (at least I did)

[rconti]

Another reason you want to be seated on climbs is fewer issues from pogoing on the rear suspension. When everything was a hardtail, a quick uphill sprint out of the saddle made more sense.

[usrusr]

That's not another reason, it's the same reason more detailed. Bar-ends had their heyday on top of rigid forks.

[SavantIdiot]

Its funny you say that because the seated/not-seated climb was actually a debate in my cycling club long ago. The agreement was: road = seated, offroad = not seated. Heh, back then (1987?) I rode a cannondale with a 26" front and 24" rear wheel with a gear ratio so low that my cadence had to skyrocket or i'd fall over from lack of momentum, but I sure could climb!

[ip26]

With no rear suspension and tall gearing, it makes sense to stand. But when you have suspension in the back & a big rear sprocket, you get more grip & have more endurance seated.

[CalChris]

I'm a road biker and not a mountain biker but I do have bar ends on my urban bikes and bar ends are great for control and leverage, at least for me. But I don't get that. How is it any more likely to catch a bar end on a branch than it would be for wider, riser bars?

[dahart]

The issue isn't whether it'll hit a branch, it's whether it will let go once it happens. Get a branch inside your bar ends, and you're going down no matter what. Smack it with your regular bars, and you have a decent chance of recovering.

[hunter2_]

And the recovery is basically to turn your bars in the direction that helps the branch slide off the end, which would be steering toward the brush except that a quick torque at speed will counter-steer, taking you away from the brush.

[dev_tty01]

No, at a minimum the bar has to be moved farther than the bar end length to get the branch loose. That leads to a much larger deviation in the wheel. Now add in that you are moving forward while this is happening. It all combines to make it much, much harder to come off the branch.

If you catch a branch with a bar end while moving you are going to eat some dirt.

[hunter2_]

I should've made it more explicit, but I was expanding on the case of not having bar ends.

[erikpukinskis]

I believe you, but how does the geometry help on climbs, I can’t quite picture it?

[geephroh]

There's also a significant trend in frame design towards steeper seattube angles. This shifts the center of mass forward, especially when pointed uphill which helps keep the front wheel from wandering.

Geometry matters. My 2020 35lb enduro bike with 170/160mm travel climbs at least as well than my 2002 28lb XC bike with 125/115mm travel. That's with a frontend that is almost 5 degrees slacker and probably 100mm longer reach. And flat pedals.

Been riding since 1988...bikes are absolutely better now than they've ever been.

[skeeter2020]

(1) bars are significantly wider. Like 30+ cms in some cases. This focuses on skeletal alignment vs. muscular; think wide push-up position vs. narrow. Putting bar ends on these bars would make for an odd posture.

(2) bikes are way longer than they used to be with much slacker head tube angles. this allows you to keep more traction on the uphills in a seated position; standing (which was always less efficient) is not required as much.

[bigfudge]

It does make the steering uphill a bit wobbly though.

[haspok]

There is an important change in the angle in your hip, so leg vs torso. Modern MTB geometry puts you in a more upright position, and that opens the hip angle. This means for climbing you use more of your glutes and less your quadriceps. This is great, because glutes are the ultimate athletic muscle.

Of course, you have to get used to this position, which is markedly different to the road bike / track bike leaning ahead and closing your hip position. It also gives you great front-back balance and easier control on your bike. Easier to jump (or just shift weight), and you have the wide bars for greater leverage.

Seriously, if someone has not tried a MTB with a modern geometry, they definitely should, they will be blown away by how much better it is than the old ages. Add to this the dropper seatpost, and you have a winner!

[jpollock]

Seated climbs are faster with a lower heartrate.

https://youtu.be/4zvP4DQgwQE?t=568

[alistairSH]

Changing the balance point of the bike.

Older geometry frames tended to pop the front wheel, if the rider remained seated and wasn't using bar ends (or just leaning really far forward).

Modern frames are longer overall, with wider bars, so the balance point feels longer and it's easier to remain seated without lifting the front wheel.

Seated climbing is better when possible - the rear suspension can help provide traction, rider just needs to provide the engine.

[midnightclubbed]

Another thing to note is that with the introduction of the dropper post you can have geometry that is both friendly to climbing (rider seated directly above the chain-ring with full leg extension) and going downhill (rider out of seat and weight back above the rear wheel).

[lwansbrough]

In my experience you actually don’t need additional traction on the front tire during ascents. You want more traction on the back tire, so leaning forward is more likely to cause slipping. Wider bars makes balancing easier and frames designed to keep the back wheel on the ground (by distributing more weight to the back tire) make it easier to climb.

[midnightclubbed]

Back in the days of 26" hard-tails you definitely needed weight over the front wheel to keep it on the ground - there was a fine balancing act of keeping enough weight over the front to not lose control while keeping that back wheel from spinning out. Modern bike geometry is so so much better! (having tires 2.3+ inches wide helps with traction too!).

[dahart]

Yup, I needed to use a travel-adjust fork on my 26" full-suspension to get up steep inclines without looping. The 29er with today's geometry makes looping on a steep section so much less likely.

[dev_tty01]

Pull on the bars in the direction of the rear tire/ground contact patch. This leads to more rear traction and makes a big difference in sketchy steep climbs.