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by phobosanomaly 1850 days ago
There are plenty of First-Nations people in the United States without access to clean drinking water.

In your time in the US, did you get a chance to visit the Navajo reservation?

"Tribes without clean water demand an end to decades of US government neglect

US has broken promises as Indigenous Americans lack access to safe water, a crisis worsened by Covid-19"

"An estimated one in 10 Indigenous Americans lack access to safe tap water or basic sanitation..."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/28/indigenous-a....

Please check out this photo-essay on the homeless in Los Angeles.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-08/homeless...

What do these folks have that the poor in other countries don't? Food insecurity, outbreaks of disease, living in improvised structures, threat of violence, lack of access to health care are all present in the United States.

Did you get a chance to visit anywhere like the Imperial Valley?

"Two weeks ago, federal prosecutors filed a lawsuit intended to clean up or shut down Duroville, which they said was lacking in necessary permits but plentiful in horrid conditions: defective construction, faulty electrical wiring, unhealthful distribution of drinking water and a deeply flawed septic system. Those ponds of gray.

“The system itself leaks sewage under and around trailers and in common areas,” the government charged in court papers, leading to raw sewage being “tracked into trailers and elsewhere on the feet of residents and their pets.”

But everything about Duroville is hard, just as its name suggests.

It sits on the Torres Martinez Desert Cahuilla Indian Reservation, where Mr. Duro is a prominent member. Weary of the news media, he has hired a spokesman, Alan Singer, who stops short of equating Duroville with nirvana, but calls the tales of squalor overblown and racist.

Mr. Singer asks one question, though, that pricks like a cactus: If Duroville is shut down, where will these thousands live?

So far, no answer."

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/us/21land.html

The order of magnitude in numbers may differ, but there is plenty of grinding poverty in the United States.

The more you travel in the United States, the more you realize that it isn't the magical shining city on the hill people think it is.

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Claim was “the US is the worst of developed countries”.

Clearly not.

I guess it depends on what you're comparing.

I mean, compare the US Gini coefficient with other developed countries.

Gini is a relative, not absolute measure.

You could have a higher Gini coefficient but your poor are better off.

Ok, so what is your counter-metric (or reasoning) for why the United States is a better place to be poor in than other developed countries?
Whoa. Who said better? I just said the poverty in the US isn’t unique among developed countries.
You provided the example of the First Nations in Canada, which would be taken by any reasonable person as an implication that the United States is a better country to be impoverished in.

When combined with your refutation of the earlier poster's comments regarding the similarity of the poor in the United States to those in the developing world and your statement that the poor in the United States aren't worse off than the poor in other developed countries, it paints an argument that the poor in the United States are somehow in a better position than in other developed countries.

The totality of your statements would be interpreted by a reasonable person as implying that the poor in the United States are better off than in other developed countries.

If your point is simply that the poor in all developed countries are in the same position, and that the poor in the United States are in the same position as the poor in Denmark, that's an interesting take. I mean, you could have just dropped "poverty in the US isn’t unique among developed countries" in the first post where you brought up the First Nations.

I'm just out here trying to have a productive debate with strangers on the internet.