[mshumi]

In many of these discussions why do we always refer to government as an abstract "they", why is it never "we or us". I think we've lost a connection between services provided by government for the public good and the means to pay-in for those services. Historically you paid taxes in real value (grains or gold) in exchange for protection, enforcement of property rights, and public goods. We do the same today, but the current state of income taxation seems wildly disconnected from value provided by government. Personal opinion is that LVT, VAT, excise taxes, and taxation in equity is a better way to link equitable distribution of real value to benefits.

[judge2020]

> In many of these discussions why do we always refer to government as an abstract "they", why is it never "we or us".

It's probably just because we're talking about the government and the public servants that run it, not society or the country as a whole - stating 'we' could be interpreted as the writer being a government employee themselves.

[dannyw]

People have started realising they're paying a higher % in tax than billionaires and corporations with all their loop holes.

People have started realising that government is simply a form of organised oppression, aimed at keeping the working and middle class poor and letting the rich exploit them.