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by aphextron 1857 days ago
>Take this scenario: You’ve hiked Mt. Adams. Now you want to hike Mt. Fuji next fall, and you want to know what to do differently to prepare.

Ah yes, that totally common scenario which I'm faced with all the time.

I love this. It perfectly illustrates the peril we are in with the current state of AI research. That the author would choose this as a problem to solve shows exactly the socioeconomic class they come from, and how that influences the way they solve problems. It may seem like a trivial and meaningless example, but these subtle biases will creep their way into these systems and be amplified. And you can bet that this kind of work is the foundation for what will become the technology that eventually governs every facet of our lives once AGI is a thing.

I, for one, am terrified of the implications that a bougie tech bro AI overlord entails.

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No need to resort to goofy phrases like "bougie tech bro." They're just out-of-touch rich people. Same as it ever was.

If that's your concern though, the good news is that in its purest form, machine learning tends to bend AWAY from this. You need large data sets to get good results, which means these projects tend to sample huge chunks of the general Internet, not just the isolated bubbles of SV types. Of course this still has limits, any data set has limits. You can only scrape data from the net if someone has posted that data in the first place, for example.

But in their initial form, a lot of these models are pretty diverse. That's why AI Dungeon had all kinds of "objectionable" content that kept getting the always-offended on their case: GPT-3 is just built off the general Internet, including a lot of weird, fucked up shit. The real problem is that inevitably someone complains, and they start hacking away at the ideal model to try to make it squeaky clean and ruin it in the process.

If you want to keep the tech from being perverted by "bougie tech bros," focus on the censorship. The models often start off pretty good.

I am surprised with how many people in this thread are equating mountain climbing with techbro culture. Really? How are those related? The fact that some techbros climb some mountains for fun?

How about the millions of people in rural counties and developing countries without access to vehicles who rely on walking across difficult terrain to make deliveries / get to work / get to school / visit family? Are they also techbros? My grandfather was an electrician in Albania and he would regularly walk dozens of miles on foot including through mountain ranges in order to get between jobs. Granted, this was dozens of years ago, but there's no reason to believe there isn't someone doing the same thing today.

If anything your own upper middle class bias is showing here, because you assume that everyone who navigates terrain is doing so for fun and not because they don't have other options.

Generally, it is the upper middle class that travel to different countries to go hiking. The lower class aren’t traveling to Japan to hike Mt Fuji. Also, hiking Mt. Fuji requires some care.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10248155/climber-livestreams-d...

Indoor climbing is definitely a SF techie thing. Tons of tech people climbed at Mission Cliffs.

It's a behavioral shibboleth. They don't hike for pleasure or genuine reasons. They hike so that they can post a picture on Instagram. It's just a thing you do as part of the bland, petty, superficial, materialistic upper middle class bubble.
As someone with family members who immensely enjoy hiking for non-status related reasons, I can confirm you are entirely incorrect. They started in a pre-Internet era and as far as I know, haven't changed their motivations since.
Researching, travelling to and from the mountain, buying and maintaining equipment, and getting training for mountain climbing all cost time and money. Techbros have at least the latter in great abundance.
We are all, in general, smart. It's the data points from our surrounding that differentiate our opinions.
That's too simplistic.