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by stdclass 1864 days ago
Which it certainly is not, if you look at the numbers.
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People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.
People who drive (especially SUV) will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.
sure and we require them to have a pass (you might know it as driving license) to mitigate the loss.

If you do not think that driving license counts, from the health angle, people with visual impairments are required to wear glasses (or have corrective surgery) to drive.

Sure, we make all sorts of trade offs. The other poster is arguing that people should people able to choose for themselves whether they risk infection, which isn't the point of these passes, they are a community health measure.
Cars don't infect other cars on the road.
Neither do people anymore, or at least those who aren't comfortable with that risk, since the vaccine is widely available for all...

If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?

> since the vaccine is widely available for all...

They sure as fuck aren't. There's three countries in the world where the percentage of fully vaccinated is over 50% (two of which have <1m people, and the third one being Israel that doesn't even pretend to count Palestinians). In France that number is 14%. In my country we haven't even reached 1%.

> If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?

Because there are millions of people that can't receive one due to the weaker immune system, which is where herd immunity is supposed to kick in.

> People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

People with any kind of cold symptoms going out and mingling also clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous. Yet, we lived in a world where people did that routinely and it was left up to parents to protect their children from influenza, something far deadlier than Covid19 for them.

Also, destroying economies, livelihoods, preventing socialization, travel will also clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

But, I guess, Covid19 means the saint class never owning up to their mistakes.

Beatings will continue until morale improves, I guess.

You wrote this after I said in a sibling tree that we do make all sorts of trade offs. I agree there's lots of places that we could make better ones!
> we could make better ones

Who is the "we" deciding what tradeoffs are better?

Various different 'societies'.

I mean, humans have lived as groups with rules for thousands of years, I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Ok so the actual alternative is a non-functioning healthcare system and routine procedures suddenly becoming an issue.

So perhaps it's not death, but definitely economical stagnation.