[BelenusMordred]

> you didn't have the same problem when riding HSR trains?

No, not really, there was some very busy queues but for the most part it was civilised, Saw a few times a guy trying to walk to front of a ticket queue and the station lady yelling at him, then the people in the line started yelling too and he walked to the back. That's about it.

On planes I have repeatedly seen groups of people unbuckle their belts and start opening the overhead luggage about 30 seconds before touchdown, multiple air hostesses would get on the intercom and scream for them to sit down but no one listens and gets their bags anyway. Honestly chaotic stuff.

My experiences over a decade anyway.