[loceng]

Had to lookup pillock - it's a real word!

Why do you think he's a pillock?

Don't you think he's got some merit considering he's climbed the ladder with successful exit after successful exit and now is #1/#2 richest person on Earth? Do you think his decision making is all fluke?

[protoax]

Believe it or not, you can be financially successful and still be a bad person. Bernie Madoff wasn't the most moral person.

[loceng]

So you changed the argument to bad vs. not bad person. Don't you think there's a net benefit to Elon with Tesla getting literally all vehicle manufacturers to now seriously be on the path to mass producing EVs? How do you account or calculate that vs. whatever other behaviours he may engage in?

Funny you bring up Ponzi schemes too, considering that's what Bitcoin is - just global and decentralized - with a few other bells and whistles misattributed to Bitcoin from blockchain; so are all all earlier adopters who then peddle/hype Bitcoin without understanding it also then bad people, or only if they understand it has a MLM-Ponzi structure and they're happy to milk schmucks/layperson that the SEC is meant to protect?

[rad_gruchalski]

> Don't you think there's a net benefit to Elon with Tesla getting literally all vehicle manufacturers to now seriously be on the path to mass producing EVs?

I don’t think he’s the reason. I think the reason is the regulatory pressure on reducing carbon emissions and subventions for anything electric.

The more the traditional manufacturers invest in EV’s, the worse for Tesla and Musk. Look at all the models from Mercedes, they’re all better than Tesla. The new Audi GT? Taycan? Any time over Tesla. Not just the car but the service network, spares, supply chain, build quality. I think Musk is going to play himself with Tesla but time will tell.

And let’s see in 10 years if EV’s are a net benefit to anything. Generally all this electro-crap. Let’s see how the green leaning part of the society reacts to fibreglass windmills landing in the landfill on the 20 year cycle.

[not_really]

Was bitcoin not the first blockchain? Seems like you have your facts backwards.

If anything, the majority of post-bitcoin blockchains have in one way or another omitted key blockchain properties and therefore defeated the point of a blockchain, usually in the form of federated networks (private gate-kept chains), or, as you say, built with feature sets in order benefit ponzi scheme structures.

Lots of bitcoin hate lately, from environmental concerns (give me a break) now to "ponzi scheme". (Is it because there is a finite supply? Does that make buying gold a ponzi scheme too?)

Oh well, there's always been detractors.

[loceng]

MLM-Ponzi scheme was probably the very first criticism, but Bitcoin propaganda narrative m never engages with it; do yourself a favour and understand MLM and Ponzi structures, and then see if any of them match Bitcoin patterns.

Buying gold is not the same as buying Bitcoin, if you actually different fully.

[not_really]

> do yourself a favour

I couldn't care less if you bought or sold bitcoin.

See? Already very different from a ponzi scheme.

[protoax]

My understanding of the word pillock is that it is a synonym for the word jackass. So I am referring to the fact that just because he is financially successful, does not mean he cannot be a jackass and voluntarily do bad things, which is what you insinuated.

[loceng]

He trolls, but if his actions are bad or say perhaps educating/helping protect and sway society away from buying Bitcoin - so they're not left holding the bag - will depend on if you're biased/financial incentivized for one outcome over another; and if your critical thinking has been influenced by that, or lack thereof which seems to be the majority of the mob who's bought into the Bitcoin hype.