[johnisgood]

Okay, but you did not need a vaccine cert for having received the flu shot.

I personally do not get those seasonal flu shots, and I had no issues for years. It was entirely voluntary, and no one gave a shit if you got it or not (it was not the first question that left people when they met you either), it was up to you entirely. We treat the COVID-19 shot very differently, I mean, after all, there actually is a vaccine cert you receive, and without it, you are pretty much doomed these days (it varies between countries, but here many employers made it a prerequisite). What about those who cannot receive the vaccine for health reasons?

Many people here got the vaccine only to get the vaccine cert, because that meant that they could go back to work (as it was a prerequisite). This artificial limitation or restriction goes to extremes somewhere. Here they talk about not being able to receive basic health care without it! Can you believe that? But of course you have to continue paying for social insurance (that covers it).

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If I may, I would like to have those down-votes explained as I did not say anything that is false, and I did not express my opinion regarding the vaccine either. What exactly could have been down-voted? I believe everything I said is true. If it is not, can you point it out, please?

[Spartan-S63]

I believe comparing COVID to the flu is a pretty apples or oranges comparison, as is comparing vaccine benefits. COVID is much more contagious than the flu, hence why it's critical more people get vaccinated. Also, continuing to let COVID spread increases the chance of more mutation outside of the current variants that could circumvent both vaccine-induced immunity and natural immunity. Combined with the more contagious nature of the disease, this could essentially trigger a second pandemic. Vaccinating and bolstering immune response is critical to preventing such an outcome.

> What about those who cannot receive the vaccine for health reasons?

This is why herd immunity is so important. For those healthy adults that are able to get vaccinated, should get vaccinated. When herd immunity is reached, those who cannot be vaccinated for health reasons are protected by everyone else.

[johnisgood]

I am not speaking against vaccination though, nor am I comparing the two or at least that was not intended (see the following sentence in parentheses). I was talking about the vaccine cert specifically (which we have for COVID-19 only, so I could have replaced "flu shot" with anything else, really), and regarding that, what is it that is not true (as far as what I said) or worth down-voting? I do not understand. Is my comment being perceived as anti-vaxx for some reason and thus, gets down-voted?

I do not believe the vaccine cert being fair, I believe it is discriminatory. People who cannot receive the vaccine for health reasons may not have access to basic health care in my country (if they go with it), and they already cannot get a job in many places. How is this not discriminating? Heck, if people are so caring, then how come that I am being down-voted for expressing such a view, a view against discrimination? Actually, for the most part I was only talking about life around here (i.e. facts, that for some reason get down-voted, unless they read too much into my comment), and was not expressing such a view. In this comment, I specifically do. In any case, no worries, I do not expect you to actually give me a reasoning as you cannot possibly see inside their heads.

[presidente20]

The infection rates for Covid and flu are in the same ballpark so the infection rate is basically irrelevant. So Covid to flu comparison is more like apples to apples. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3883/rr

[postalrat]

Herd immunity doesn't mean zero cases. Covid-19 won't be eradicated. Believing some vaccination threshold exists that will prevent a future mutation seems foolish.

[shard]

I caught the flu two years in a row, about 15 year ago. Just unlucky, I guess. Never had the flu before that. Each of those two times laid me out for two weeks straight, just completely miserable, couldn't even sleep lying down because it made me cough. After that I religiously got my flu shot every year.

[rsj_hn]

There is lots of luck involved with the flu shot as well. They range from 1/3 to 2/3 effective, it depends on the year. In 2019, the vaccines were 37% effective against Influenza A and 50% against Influenza B, but the B variant was more prevalent that year so the overall effectiveness was 45%. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6907a1.htm?s_cid=mm...)

We are still trying to figure out how to make effective flu vaccines.

[johnisgood]

Yeah of course, my mom does the same. I stopped a few years ago and I was still alright, and I generally do not catch the common cold either, it has been years. In any case, I do not mind anyone getting the flu shot, of course.

I still have diseases, just other kinds. No vaccine or treatment for them.