[dangerbird2]

Working for a small startup that uses both k8s and more traditional infrastructure, I've found the yaml soup that comprises a reliable k8s system is not much worse than the yaml/hcl soup of our ansible/terraform provisioning scripts.

[p_l]

The best thing is that unlike ansible's horrible text-templated yaml soup (though kudos to them for making text templating indentation-aware unlike Helm), the fact that with k8s YAML is optional and I can use things like Jsonnet, CUE, any random programming language to build manifests with full reasoning about objects, makes it much nicer than most.

[lmarcos]

I find Ansible simple: it's just a way of sending over the wire idempotent commands. It's like bash scripts, but better. On the other hand, k8s is a best of hundreds of heads.

Sure, yaml is a pita in both of them.

[sethammons]

I don't like running all my stuff with yaml. We have to introduce templating and then things get messy. There needs to be a simpler, declarative way to share values, variables, etc between k8s types.

[fruityrudy]

Try Pulumi.