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by nopassrecover 1867 days ago
It’s an interesting thought isn’t it.

Many of us in the haze of an enlightenment narrative in the 90s thought the web would empower through a decentralised model, and while it’s done that of course, it has also created powerful new sources of centralised power, monopolies, and walled gardens, that have challenged (and often won against) existing legal, societal, and political structures and norms.

It starts feeling a bit Neal Stephenson or Max Barry if you imagine a world in which monetary policy underpinning Western (and other) economies is further removed from existing political (especially democratic) levers.

Weber’s argument that states draw their legitimacy from a monopoly on the legitimate use of force is largely supported in Western economies by a monopoly on the legitimate exchange of value as well.

What does international trade, yet alone your annual tax return, look like in a world in which “govcoin” is just one (and a lower preferred one at that) of many currencies used day-to-day?

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> What does international trade, yet alone your annual tax return, look like in a world in which “govcoin” is just one (and a lower preferred one at that) of many currencies used day-to-day?

That's already a reality for many companies doing international trade. Especially global special-purpose device producers from smaller countries. It's annoying with paperwork and dealing with "what price was actually paid at the time", but it's not new. They contract a team from X, do work in Y, source materials from Z, V, W, then pay local accounting and tax in their govcoin equivalent - which happens to be the local currency.

For day-to-day multiple local currencies check out the history of the Brazilian Real.

Good examples.

What do you think it means for the stability of nation states, either domestically or on an international scale, in such a world though?

It’s the increasing practicality of doing this (buy your breakfast in StarbucksCoin, your lunch in McCoin, and your groceries in WalCoin) that makes it more possible as a reality.

But how does a government have credibility and get taken seriously domestically if the currency they control is increasingly irrelevant day to day? How does the US continue to maintain leverage over energy costs? Etc.

I lived in Cambodia, which has this situation: the government currency is the Riel, roughly 4000R per 1USD, but everyone uses USD for anything over 1USD. Essentially, Riel notes are used as coins - if something is $4.50, you pay $5USD and get back 2000R in notes as change.

> But how does a government have credibility and get taken seriously domestically if the currency they control is increasingly irrelevant day to day?

The monopoly use of force is still a thing that demands respect.

Countries still can tell you what usage is legal and what isn't. We've tried StarbucksCoin already and people weren't happy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store

We've also tried restricted foreign currency shops: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewex