[sudosysgen]

You should re-read my original comment. I said that travel restrictions would not do anything unless the pandemic strategy was eradiction. If the strategy is to "flattien the curve", then there is essentially no effect from closing borders.

>1. Lockdown and travel restrictions are not the same.

Yes, this is the entire point of my argument.

>2. Travel restrictions and reasonable public health safety measure are not exclusive. They only work in conjunction.

This is not correct. Lockdowns work even without travel restrictions. Travel restrictions don't do much without lockdowns (and other non-pharmaceutical interventions).

[rjzzleep]

> You should re-read my original comment. I said that travel restrictions would not do anything unless the pandemic strategy was eradiction. If the strategy is to "flattien the curve", then there is essentially no effect from closing borders.

You should look outside the window there are more countries in the world than just the EU and the USA. Taiwan had effectively zero community transmission for almost a year without lockdown. Travel restrictions were a vital part to that.

The whole flatten the curve argument was a hack to reset a botched pandemic response.

> This is not correct. Lockdowns work even without travel restrictions. Travel restrictions don't do much without lockdowns (and other non-pharmaceutical interventions).

Howd they work out in Europe? How many lockdowns will they have? They actually did Lockdowns without travel restrictions and it did not work. It did flatten the curve a bit, but the end result is still a mess.

Your entire argument is based on an assumption that the outcome is already determined.

[sudosysgen]

This is exactly my argument. I said that unless you have a policy of eradication, travel restrictions are useless.

Taiwan had a policy of eradication. So I don't see how anything conflicts with what I said.

I have many friends and family that lived in Europe. They did real lockdows in the first wave, and it worked. For the second, third and fourth wave, lockdowns were very light and allowed people to go to work and often children to go to school. So they didn't work.

[yorwba]

> Howd they work out in Europe? How many lockdowns will they have? They actually did Lockdowns without travel restrictions and it did not work.

Lockdowns have worked very well in Europe. That's why the reaction to rising cases was always another lockdown, following which case counts fell again. However, the overall strategy was not eradication, so every lockdown so far ended when there were still enough infected to start a new wave. Travel restrictions would have helped keep more infectious strains like B 1.1.7 at bay, but in their absence, already-present strains would have kept spreading anyway.