[Jean-Philipe]

I can see why npm is annoying, but I wonder what would be a good role model for a better ecosystem. I can personally only compare npm to PHP, Python and Java, and I think npm is far superior. Do you have an example of a better ecosystem/package manager? I'm genuinely curious.

[runarberg]

I think some people like to compare Deno’s package management to go’s. I think that is a good comparison since dependencies live (sort of) on a URL in both cases. However I think Deno has improved significantly on the go approach.

When I look for a better ecosystem though, I like to look towards Rust’s Cargo. However that is bit of an unfair comparison since Cargo was heavily inspired by npm, had learned from npm’s past mistakes and were able to improve on it significantly.

[anw]

Cargo is one of the nicest build systems I've used. Coming from maven, I have nothing but love for what cargo brings and how easy it makes it.

The key thing for me with Cargo (and Rust) is the documentation. I'm able to quickly glean what I need to do from the docs, and often with useful examples that are close to my use case.

I do wish the package ecosystem was set up with namespaces. Abandoned crates, name squatting, etc. should really be a thing of the past. But I guess this fosters creativity in names.