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by ridethebike 1865 days ago
Do I want security cameras/metal detectors/metal doors and other <s>police state</s> security measures everywhere? No. Do I want to have all that in electrical plants/pipelines/nuclear reactors and other objects of critical infrastructure - yes. If that means employees there would need to spend more time for annoying security checks(additional password prompts, 2FA, metal detectors, etc) - sure, I did all of that when working for one of British banks, mildly annoying but feasible. If that means more taxes - I'm ready to pay.

One can't just tell russians/chinese/iranians "we have open and free society do please don't hack into our electric grid" and expect it to work.
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bourgwaletariat 1865 days ago
Those things already exist in electrical plants/pipelines/nuclear reactors and other objects of critical infrastructure. Eliminating the ability of people to casually enter and access/alter/destroy this infrastructure isn't the issue.

And yeah... we exactly can say that. We do it all the time. We almost blew up the world because Russia sent some missiles to Cuba.

There's no reason the digital war can't have physical repercussions. If a foreign nation invades our digital properties, we drop a bomb on their electric plant.

Simple as that.

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sofixa 1865 days ago
> There's no reason the digital war can't have physical repercussions. If a foreign nation invades our digital properties, we drop a bomb on their electric plant.

> Simple as that.

Do you think people would support a nuclear war ( because if the US bombs Russia or China, the response could very well be nuclear) as a response to hacking? And are you aware that the US is one of the most active countries on the cyber warfare front? ( Snowden, the various NSA toolkit leaks, etc.) Should Iran respond with bombs when Israel and maybe the US sabotage it's nuclear industry? Should Russia respond with nukes when the US disrupts GRU operations?

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bourgwaletariat 1865 days ago
It's already happened. Remember Stuxnet?
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ridethebike 1864 days ago
>> drop a bomb on their electric plant

Not gonna happen. Because: a) that would almost surely mean all-out war (in case of Russia/China - with country that has nukes), started by US b) dropping a bomb on electric plant of country that has at least some air defense (and I think it's safe to assume Russia/China/Iran have plenty of that) is not simple

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bourgwaletariat 1864 days ago
As I said in the cousin post below, it has already happened.
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